Can you make a God claim?

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Of course you can Thank you for your answer, I liked it.

Indeed, what is real and unreal is a very difficult question. It's referred to as the problem of solipsism. We need to make certain assumptions in order to function at all. We either all agree that we have made them, or we cannot ever talk about anything. We assume our senses are giving us some roughly accurate view of things that are in some way real. We assume we can learn about this reality, whatever it is. That's about the minimum you need, or else no conversation can progress because nothing means anything. They cannot be fully justified (not yet anyhow, maybe never) except as a pragmatic approach.

After that, we have possibilities. Indeed yes, there could be some sort of thing that created our reality. I'm impressed to see you not shoe-horsing Yahweh in instantly on the sly, like is so often tried. My stance is that our knowledge points to a universe going back to virtually the Big Bang with good, natural explanations, and no need for any continuing interaction with the creator thing. So if it did create it, it's done with us, pending further information. At best it is observing, or interacting in ways specifically designed to be indistinguishable from what happens anyway. And expecting it to be intently observing our insignificant planet is a bit of a stretch.

If the creator is outside our reality, which seems the most plausible thing, then I would say it's impossible to test for it in any way, whether it's material or not. We are stuck with what is in this reality, unless some amazing new technology comes along.

So my conclusion is that there could be some external creator, but if so it is irrelevant, and untestable. There is however no good reason to assume there was a creator.

I think you came to kind of the same conclusion, but I tend to not put much stock in "could be" unless there is a reason to think there actually is. Adding unnecessary elements in an explanation tends to be a bad thing to do. Sure, almost anything "could be" the case, I don't deny it. Science instead worries just about what it can test, and doesn't speculate further except for new potential hypotheses with some grounding.

Very good answer I'm not trying to conclude that I'm right and you're wrong or anything, I think we approach the same results but from slightly different angles. My answer is a testable God claim is probably impossible, and you seem to agree.