After the France incident : a Muslim -me- just thinking..

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Quran 33:57–61

"Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)".

This is the wrong way to do it ; nobody reads a book like that.
My brain asks : annoy ? how ? allah, what would annoy you ?

to know ; I shall go back a couple of verses -which is something you & the Jihadists usually forget-.

( 53 ) O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
( 54 ) Whether you reveal a thing or conceal it, indeed Allah is ever, of all things, Knowing.
( 55 ) There is no blame upon women concerning their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons or their women or those their right hands possess. And fear Allah. Indeed Allah is ever, over all things, Witness.
( 56 ) Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allah to grant him] peace.

Actually, the above to verses -from the same Sura- are about people going into Muhammed's home, and stay for a very long time inside without considering his privacy. Muhammed was shy so he can't kick them out ; so the verses I copied above tell his visitors to just stay for a meal then go.

Though, there were well known people who didn't like muhammed, and used that his house is always open to either assassinate him or hurt him badly enough to immigrate.

Check this verse out :

( 76 ) And indeed, they were about to drive you from the land to evict you therefrom. And then [when they do], they will not remain [there] after you, except for a little. Quran, page 290

Though ; when you read the Quran as a whole like this -without cutting down verses-, you'll get that muslims are not allowed to kill unless attacked directly. In the Quran god called this act of self defense "jihad", modern countries call it "declaration of war".

Just saying.

Chuck

No, the Quran itself says I shouldn't kill ; it's not a treaty between the savage muslims and the modern civilized non muslims.
If the Quran was a book of murder & death I wouldn't have believed in Islam. I would be on your side of the fight.

I believed in the Quran because unlike many other human laws systems : it doesn't say that the goal justifies the method.

I wrote a long topic back in the past about Islam & self esteem, and how god in the Quran is always the bigger person who gives everybody an equal chance in this life ; even if the person mocked god or his prophets.

Eventually ; it's a matter of "purity" : if the Quran was a book of wako jihadists I wouldn't have ever believed in it