RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 26, 2015 at 3:56 pm
(This post was last modified: January 26, 2015 at 4:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your buddies here seem to think that we can gather evidence and theorize what was before the big bang to avoid the God solution. It seems you believe we cannot know anything before T=0.Meh, good for them? On the other hand, you might not be putting forward a very thorough representation of the responses you've been given.
Quote:If we cannot know anything, how can you rule out God?No, again, full stop..there is no ruling. There are no rules, if there are rules we don't know what they are. Understand? Its radio silence. I'm not commenting on cause in the before the before because we have no purchase in that regard. As far as "god" yeah, sure, I can rule that out. Characters on the page don;t jump out of the page, let alone create everything around them up to and including the page from whence they came. I can point to a god all day long in support of this...can you point to a god?
For example, to answer your question about whether or not there are necessary truths in any possible universe - maybe..we don't know...and they may not be the same between two "possible universes" if there are. Radio silence. That's why our rules can;t be trusted to provide accurate conclusions in those other "possible universes"...we can only make statements about this one if we want that sort of confidence...and in this universe, the argument just doesn't work the way you want it to, maybe it does in some other universe...how should I know...how would you know? Would it be relevant if it did? Nope. As you've stated, the purpose of all of this is to prove conclusions, which the argument you've given simply cannot do. This is regardless of whether or not science will find this or find that - I'm certainly not holding my breath for man to ever enjoy complete knowledge, personally...by any means.
"God" isn't a candidate for a cause anymore than Dorian Grey is a candidate for a cause - even if there is a cause, which we simply can't determine when approached the way you decided to approach it. Lets not forget that were talking about ghost stories here Steve......
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