A simple challenge for atheists

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We don't need to rule out god. That's an argument from ignorance, again.

What is a god? Please remind me?

I was pointing out the logical conclusion of claiming we cannot know anything. You can't say we don't even know if cause and effect existed in one sentence and in the very next say that we can definitively rule out God.

For the purposes of this argument, God did not begin to exist and is someone who could create a universe out of nothing.

Where are you getting this definition from? What is it that makes you even begin to suspect that something meeting this definition could even be possible? Is it anything more than a reference to what you want to be the conclusion to an argument, carefully constructed so that the argument must lead to it? (And even then, the argument fails.)

What else can you tell me about a God? Because at the moment, it seems you know almost nothing about one, except that it has a couple of qualities which magically make it fit into the Kalam argument.

Why posit the existence of something so entirely nonsensical? Especially if you can't tell me any more about it than that.

To assume something exists, without any evidence to support it, and then claim it is credible until someone disproves it, is the classic argument from ignorance. It is entirely useless. It's an error simply because anyone can make up any manner of absurd notions, about anything at all. "The universe was created by my eyebrow!" "I have an metaphysical dragon in my garage." "I know everything there is to know, but I won't tell you any of it." These are all no more nonsensical than making up a definition of something we have no reason to think is even possible. And like God, they are unfalsifiable. You cannot prove them wrong. And when something is unfalsifiable, it is useless. So if you want someone to take a totally unsubstantiated "God" seriously, you have to also take all those other claims I just made seriously. Plus any other similar ones anyone ever makes. Would you do that?

I'm driving this point home so hard because I have noticed you using the argument from ignorance fallacy repeatedly in your posts and am hoping to get you to see your error It's an extremely common mistake among theists. If you are interested in actual truth and proper thinking, and not just finding a way to rationalize your beliefs, then hopefully you will give this some thought.

I'm not trying to put you down, I'm happy to see a bit more thought going into theist discussion than usual I don't normally even bother replying to most theists anymore, so you can consider these questions a compliment if you like