RE: A simple challenge for atheists
February 2, 2015 at 2:40 pm
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2015 at 2:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 2, 2015 at 2:19 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1 There is no God.Sure there is, hell, tons of em, right there in the pages of the books, in the stories that we tell. There they are, have at em.
Quote:2 Miracles are the supernatural work of God.There are people who claim to be able to work miracles with no reference to a god(and always have been) - the two things aren't inextricably tied together.
Quote:3 Therefore, miracles are impossible.That's a strange "therefore" - can't say that I'd sign onboard with that one.
Quote:4 The gospels contains reports of miracles.Stories about miracles, sure...report, to me, means a little more than a story.
Quote:5 Therefore, the gospels contains legendary material or historical misrepresentations.Another strange "therefore", the narratives do contain legendary material and historical "misrepresentations" - and also....stories about miracles.
Quote:6 Therefore, the gospels cannot be trusted.Depends on what you're trusting them for. If you want historical accuracy...then yeah, not so much - for all of the above.
Quote:7 Therefore, there is no evidence for God.Another strange "therefore" - I;d say that these narratives are plenty of evidence for a god between the covers, personally. That's where we're always finding them....and they seem pretty thin on the ground elsewhere.
Quote:8 Therefore, there is no God.See above.
Quote:Is there any other evidence for the existence of God than a miraculous event?Isn't that what -you- should be telling -me- about? Doesn't seem like a question you should be asking.......more like a case you should be making.
Quote: You will not accept conclusions like first cause, fine-tuning, complexity of life, human consciousness therefore God.Right, because those "conclusions" are garbage due to a failure of adhering to the principles claimed to have been used in order to reach them.
Quote: You cannot say prove God before I believe in miracles.I wouldn't say that, but if you're claiming that god performs miracles....you actually would have to do that. If you just wanted me to believe in miracles, you wouldn't need to refer to any gods.
Quote:Or, are you saying that if we knew the gospel writers to be eyewitnesses then you would believe in miracles.Me, nah. Plenty of people alive today that claim to have witnessed "miracles" of the godly and non-godly variety firsthand...so obviously that doesn't work for me.
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