RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?
February 2, 2015 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2015 at 5:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 2, 2015 at 4:39 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes, but I believe you're like some I've seen, you would cut off your nose to spite your face.Then you should probably demonstrate that, because regardless of some ancillary god bullshit, all that free will hinges on is whether or not I can legitimately lay claim to a choice, the unmoved mover of mind. Your experience and my experience in this regard are identical, the troubling bit is that what we've learned of our universe doesn't seem to support our experience, in this regard.
I'm trying to help you join the conversation. and realize that your god bothering bullshit need not be present.
Quote:Is there something about that statement that you do not understand?Quote:No...it wouldn't. Determinism does not require and is not equivalent with planning.
Quote:What I've seen is you saying God predetermines our future. As for giving God a pass, that's priceless, you giving God a pass, ha,ha,ha.You've seen no such thing, this will be the third time that I've explicitly stated that I don't think that god is determining jack shit.
Quote me or demonstrate that you're a worthless goddamned liar.
Quote:You've stated God is within everything, your moving the goal post, careful or you'll have them clean out of the stadium.I haven't, I've asked you what you think. Everywhere and everywhen are the same thing...in case you weren't aware.
Quote:God is present everywhere, but being present doesn't mean control.Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if god has control..as I've stated over and over. If god is present everywhere, then god is present in our futures, and if he is, then it follows that our future is already set -even if it isn't set by him. His ability to be in that time-frame shows that it is predetermined, not that he's the one predetermining it. That our futures already exist. Understand?
No free will.
Quote: God is everywhere through His knowing, imagination has nothing to do with it. He also doesn't have to think about what He knows, that would go against omniscience.No...it wouldn't..but that's irrelevant as well.
Quote:You're trying to put words into my mouth, you're the on saying God's imaginative and that may be possible with creation, but not with man's future trough free will. You've made yourself quite transparent, but keep up the denial if it makes you feel better, that is like you've won something.These are the consequences of your words...not my words put in your mouth. If you can;t follow, don't pretend to be involved.
Quote:You are delusional, denial want change that, only seeking the truth and accepting it will help your condition.I'll have the cornbread.
Quote:You're right, what one wants doesn't necessarily dictate the truth. The truth is God doesn't predetermine our future.Never said god did...I've constantly said that god didn't, but that doesn't speak to whether or not our future is predetermined.
Quote: You've taken the stance that God predetermines by His inhabitants within everything, by His knowledge of your decisions.Quote me, liar.
Quote:Then why to this day have people wondered how Obama came from nowhere to become more popular than Mrs. Clinton, strange how that happened.He's from Honolulu, not nowhere...you're welcome.
Quote:What idea, please be more specific.That determinism, including hard determinism, is somehow connected to or a product of your god. I keep trying to explain to you that it isn't, and that I don't think god is predetermining anything...but you keep responding...as you quote me...to someone else, some other conversation, in which that person is saying precisely the opposite of what I'm saying......all while calling me delusional.....
Quote:I knew you were delusional, you've asked nothing, you've stated much and the few questions are loaded to the same purpose.I don't have any confidence that you understood the questions, let alone what they could be loaded with, since you keep responding to some other conversation, some other comments - with which I have no connection.
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