A Conscious Universe

[bennyboy]

I won't work under a definition of "subjective" which means "localized" and nothing more. The word "subjective" means more than that.

It means far less than you seem to be hinting at as well - that has to be acknowledged. The usage you are toiling under is -loaded down- with stuff that may not really belong or apply.

I experience stuff that others do not. That is my subjective experience. I don't see a lot of baggage there.

I don't know, no one does, we can point to a region, but thats it.

Can we? As far as I've seen, there are several regions required for consciousness to happen.

Thing is...we see how other, simpler mechanical systems do it. That's all I;m trying to express. It isn't a proper mystery, more like a "how does a telephone work" kind of question - to the layman.

I'm not saying it's a mystery, though I think it is. What I'm saying is that if you want to explain the brain as a mechanism of mind, you have to explain where the sense of unity of experience comes from. What's at the core of it all?

What is it that you expect...is your hypothesis living up to this expectation more than my own?

My view is not a hypothesis. It is a response to the existence of "things" which cannot be expressed unambiguously in 3D space, which I feel invalidate the semantics of a physical monism.

The monitor doesn't see anything.

Neither does your brain or your mind (your eyes do the seeing).......except that it does, in the sense used, as does your brain or mind (and even your eyes).

Again, you are expressing yourself with your world view presupposed. The fact is that I DO see things. I'm currently looking around my room and yup, I can verify that I see stuff.

The implication, I think, is an inversion: that since any mechanical thing can "see," the human experience of sight is best thought of as purely mechanical.

Is it not......is there some part of sight that is best thought of as something other than mechanical? Feel free to enlighten me.

Absolutely. The subjective experience of sight is best thought of as something other than mechanical.