(February 17, 2015 at 10:47 pm)whateverist Wrote:Sweet Jesus, I've missed this banter!!!(February 17, 2015 at 9:17 pm)ether-ore Wrote: Here's my understanding: You and I and everyone who ever lived or will live on this earth, are eternal beings. Meaning that there is an aspect of us that had no beginning... that we, our essence (if you will) was not created by God. We just always were.
Which is true unless it isn't. I don't personally believe it to be true. Do you have any reason to believe that is true other than the fact that you and other people you know already believe it?
Sounds like a great premise for a Marvel comic book though. I love it when someone from the LSD shows up to show God'sChild how crazy it all looks to us.
I think there is some truth in what this person has said. I don't know whether or not they'd accept my interpretation but, from where I sit, they're kinda right! Energy exists, and if you posit a first creator then you are subjecting your hypothesis to the constraints of physics. Since no being, no matter how powerful, requires something upon which to exert its causal power, then there undoubtedly must have been a pre-existing "stuff" to act upon in order to bring about its (or Its) creation. The problem is,what? And since there MUST have been someTHING, the motivation behind crowning this creator with an omnipresent title seems to crumble as soon as the properties of this Michelangelo are defined. Any amount of power,no matter how strong, becomes impotent without an external entity for it to exert its causal power upon.
So...we're just left with "stuff" and randomness. And I find no reason to stand on ceremony by giving these concepts ambiguous ttiles and unproveable properties.
I missed you mark!
