(February 19, 2015 at 10:03 am)Irrational Wrote:(February 19, 2015 at 9:50 am)Losty Wrote: I don't literally mean to hate them. I just say it because I took a popular Christian phrase "hate the sin, not the sinner" and made it secular. I am trying to get a feel on how far a person can go action wise and I can still say "well, yea, but they're deluded by their beliefs. It's not their fault".
At what point does the personal responsibility kick in? I just...I have a bad habit of making excuses for people who do crappy things to me. Usually there's a pretty clear line, but when it comes to religion I have a harder time.
The way I see it is just because it's not their fault the way they are does not mean that one cannot reasonably hate them (or rather dislike/detest them) for the stuff they may do to others.
I don't have to hold anyone personally responsible for anything in order to have a strong dislike of the person. If that person kept unapologetically abusing me to no end, I could care less about whether they could help it or not. What they did was continually invoke unpleasant feelings in me towards them through their actions that I cannot but detest them ... and also feel pity for them as well.
Why is it that the Christian is always at fault for the way one feels, could it not possibly be that what's said actually pricks a nerve of guilt.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
