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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
February 20, 2015 at 2:15 am (This post was last modified: February 20, 2015 at 2:17 am by robvalue.)
(February 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm)Lek Wrote:
(February 19, 2015 at 5:51 pm)robvalue Wrote: You think all the stuff God ordered and did in the OT was righteous?

Was it righteous to command the slaughter of entire cities, and have the virgins kept alive for "booty"? Was it righteous to drown all the animals in the world, and all people, because he wasn't getting what he wanted?

I could go on all day...

Assuming you have read the OT, it's hard to find a single page where he doesn't do something psychotic. Are you defending all of this?

You know what? I've reached an epiphany. I respect you and Esquilax and I can understand your positions. It struck me that if I was an atheist, I would believe the same thing as you do. It would be a no brainer. If you don't believe in the effects on our world of the sins of Adam and rest of us, which you don't; and you don't believe in eternal life, which you don't; you also don't understand why I believe God was morally right in his actions. You also don't believe that God is the creator and has the right to make his creation as he sees fit. I say we punish violators and, once they've done their time we restore their rights. If we execute them, they don't get a second chance. But if God punishes someone with an earthly punishment and then restores them and gives them eternal life, you don't accept that concept as being loving and just at the same time. I think we're guilty and you think we're not. We have no common ground, so the debate goes on and on ad nauseam.

The thing is, you guys have caused me to thoroughly reconsider my positions and refine my faith. I wanted to face all the questions, so I can truly say that this forum has been a good thing for me. What's a person to do? Sorry for the rant. Next time I'll take it to R'yleh. I need an excedrin!

Wow! I want to give you major credit for this. The reply here is the most thoughtful one I think I have seen from any christian on this site, and one I didn't think I would ever see from any of our resident theists. For that reason I won't continue to hammer on about this subject for the moment, because as you say, you know exactly where I'm coming from. You made my day Smile

Maybe we can continue the debate in the future, after you've had time to mull things over. That's all I ever ask of anyone, to have a really good think.
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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral

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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 16, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 18, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by LastPoet - February 16, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 16, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Regina - February 16, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 17, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 17, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 18, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 18, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 19, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 9:18 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 1:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 3:20 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 11:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 20, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 21, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 17, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 3:41 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 2:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by abaris - February 21, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 23, 2015 at 1:15 am

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