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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
February 22, 2015 at 3:04 am (This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 3:06 am by robvalue.)
If objective morality exists, independent of God even, then it is just arbitrary. It also doesn't care about context, nor a changing society.

It also doesn't care about whether it helps or harms anyone. It can say something is "good", because it's part of this objective moral code, while the action leads only/mainly to suffering.

The only way to discover if these "objective truths" are actually beneficial or harmful to individuals and to society is to compare them to our own standard. Otherwise we are acting under the dictatorship of... nothing! Not even God apparrently. Why should we do that?

And this means God is judging us by a standard he had nothing to do with. Even his opinion of what is moral and immoral is irrelevant. He cannot change the code. That means he may be punishing us for stuff he doesn't even think is wrong.

Can you give us an example of some objective moral truths? And also, what does "moral" actually mean to you?
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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 16, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 18, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by LastPoet - February 16, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 16, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Regina - February 16, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 17, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 17, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 18, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 18, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 9:46 pm
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 19, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 9:18 pm
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 1:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 3:20 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 11:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 20, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 21, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 17, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 3:41 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 2:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by abaris - February 21, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 23, 2015 at 1:15 am

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