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Was it necessary to create anything?
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
(March 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(March 25, 2015 at 6:02 pm)Alex K Wrote: If I were a Christian mystic apologist, I would circumvent this by saying that the universe with us in it is not a separate creation per se but a part of the mind of God.

Do you mean that the universe has always existed? Otherwise, you will have a problem, with God thinking of something new, that He previously had not considered. After all, that would mean that He lacked something at some time, that He later had. Either that thing is an improvement, or it isn't. If it is an improvement, it means God was imperfect, and if not, then it is unnecessary and unimportant, unworthy of a perfect being.

[Apologist]
It is not sensible to say that God lacked a thing at some time, and had it at another. This is our interpretation as creatures living in time. God though is not constrained by our concept of time: what is past, present and future for us are just different parts of His mind, and he has them all.
[/Apologist]
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Was it necessary to create anything? - by ReptilianPeon - March 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Napoléon - March 25, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 25, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by IATIA - April 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 25, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Minimalist - March 25, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 25, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 5:51 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 8:08 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:04 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:26 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:45 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 9:34 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 9:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Brian37 - March 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 7:21 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 3, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 4, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 4, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 6, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - April 3, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 3, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 2:15 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Brian37 - April 3, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by emjay - April 3, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by emjay - April 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 4, 2015 at 5:13 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - April 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 6, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 6, 2015 at 8:50 am

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