RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
April 2, 2015 at 3:48 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2015 at 4:35 am by robvalue.)
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I don't believe in anything without good evidence as far as I am able.
I've never believed in a god. If there is one, he is trying his hardest to hide from me, and has given me a brain which he knew would conclude that I wouldn't believe in him.
Just looking at stuff is not evidence. Saying "It couldn't have got here any other way than just as described in my story book" is not a valid argument. It's an argument from ignorance. (This is not saying you are stupid, it's the name of a logical fallacy.) It excludes the possibility that you may be wrong when further evidence is found, or that you may be wrong but it's not something we can ever know one way or the other. In other words, it's an arbitrary and pointless mental pacifier. It also doesn't in any way help us further our understanding; in fact it actively opposes it. Religion is always trying to rubbish science, and to force its superstitious speculation into the science curriculum.
I'm happy saying "I don't know" when I don't know something. I feel no compulsion to plug gaps in my knoweldge with unfalsifiable stories.
I don't even deny that there could have been a creator. If there is one, there's no reason to think it still exists, is interacting with us or cares in the slightest what is going on. So it is irrelevant to me. I'll concentrate on what there is good evidence for, such as other people and animals existing who I will try my best to help and not harm.
"A creator" and "the main character in a story book" are not interchangeable. You have a lot of work getting from God to Yahweh. It's a huge non sequitur.
More about my position, and explanations on logical fallacies such as "argument from ignorance" and "non sequitur" on my website
http://robvalue.wix.com/atheism

I don't believe in anything without good evidence as far as I am able.
I've never believed in a god. If there is one, he is trying his hardest to hide from me, and has given me a brain which he knew would conclude that I wouldn't believe in him.
Just looking at stuff is not evidence. Saying "It couldn't have got here any other way than just as described in my story book" is not a valid argument. It's an argument from ignorance. (This is not saying you are stupid, it's the name of a logical fallacy.) It excludes the possibility that you may be wrong when further evidence is found, or that you may be wrong but it's not something we can ever know one way or the other. In other words, it's an arbitrary and pointless mental pacifier. It also doesn't in any way help us further our understanding; in fact it actively opposes it. Religion is always trying to rubbish science, and to force its superstitious speculation into the science curriculum.
I'm happy saying "I don't know" when I don't know something. I feel no compulsion to plug gaps in my knoweldge with unfalsifiable stories.
I don't even deny that there could have been a creator. If there is one, there's no reason to think it still exists, is interacting with us or cares in the slightest what is going on. So it is irrelevant to me. I'll concentrate on what there is good evidence for, such as other people and animals existing who I will try my best to help and not harm.
"A creator" and "the main character in a story book" are not interchangeable. You have a lot of work getting from God to Yahweh. It's a huge non sequitur.
More about my position, and explanations on logical fallacies such as "argument from ignorance" and "non sequitur" on my website

http://robvalue.wix.com/atheism
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