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Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins
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RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins
(April 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Vicki Q Wrote:
(April 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Someone wake me up when any of this can be relevant to the idea that Mr. Christ is/was god.

I must challenge the claim of irrelevance here. (Above post is also to be read.)


 The Jewish OT narrative was sin → exile → forgiveness → restoration. Although the exile had geographically ended, the C1 Israel consensus was that promised arrival of God's kingdom hadn't happened, what with the Romans running the show. Therefore they hadn't been forgiven. Israel was waiting for God to sort things out.

When the whole Jesus thing was over, the realisation dawned that God had acted, decisively, to enact his Kingdom, to return as King to Israel, to bring redemption from sin, and to destroy the power of sin and death. And he had done it in the person of Jesus. Jesus had done what God and God alone had said he would do.

So to say that Jesus had died claiming it would bring redemption is directly linked to a role reserved to God. And if the resurrection happened, death would have been beaten, and that claim would have been vindicated.


And, to draw a further conclusion, without a clear belief in Jesus' resurrection, the disciples would have had nothing to say.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albGoar3P0I

You misunderstand me.  Of course the holy books will say that Christ was divine and fulfilled vague prophecies.  They're written to sell a religion, which automatically makes them biased and not worth considering.  And the lineage of Jesus - if he did exist - doesn't imply his divinity.

(April 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Polaris Wrote:
(April 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Spooky Wrote: Prove it.

Many of the laws you follow are based off the teachings of Christ.

Just leaving this here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 10, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by John V - April 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by c172 - April 10, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 10, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by John V - April 10, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Silver - April 10, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by John V - April 10, 2015 at 5:16 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 10, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Silver - April 10, 2015 at 6:00 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 10, 2015 at 6:47 pm
Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by KUSA - April 10, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by vorlon13 - April 10, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Vicki Q - April 12, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Vicki Q - April 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by KevinM1 - April 18, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Polaris - April 12, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Spooky - April 12, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Polaris - April 12, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Spooky - April 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Polaris - April 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 18, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Minimalist - April 12, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by KevinM1 - April 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by vorlon13 - April 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by KevinM1 - April 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Chad32 - April 12, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Spooky - April 12, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 4:26 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Chad32 - April 12, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 12, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by Nope - April 18, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 18, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by dyresand - April 19, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Wake up jesus didn't die for your sins - by vorlon13 - April 18, 2015 at 5:28 pm

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