Yeah, he started off wanting to be the guy who could collaborate with the opposition to attain reasonable solutions. Trouble is you just end up giving everything away when the other side is totally Machiavellianian. His idealism cost us all. Then again it is best to recognize the limits of what you can realistically win so you don't wind up on the rocks.
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2016 Elections - by Silver - April 15, 2015 at 1:30 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 15, 2015 at 1:38 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 15, 2015 at 1:48 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 1:48 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Clueless Morgan - April 15, 2015 at 10:42 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 11:23 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 12:15 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by polar bear - April 15, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 1:04 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Faith No More - April 15, 2015 at 1:19 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by vorlon13 - April 15, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by AFTT47 - April 16, 2015 at 1:53 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 15, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Clueless Morgan - April 15, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 15, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by CapnAwesome - April 15, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 10:12 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 16, 2015 at 1:39 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by A Theist - April 16, 2015 at 4:34 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 16, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Faith No More - April 16, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Pizza - April 16, 2015 at 5:16 am
2016 Elections - by KUSA - April 16, 2015 at 7:45 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 16, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by CapnAwesome - April 16, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 17, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by CapnAwesome - April 17, 2015 at 12:19 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by A Theist - April 17, 2015 at 4:59 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by downbeatplumb - April 21, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by DeistPaladin - April 21, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Pizza - April 16, 2015 at 9:21 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by polar bear - April 16, 2015 at 10:22 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 16, 2015 at 1:10 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by bennyboy - April 16, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 16, 2015 at 10:44 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 17, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 16, 2015 at 11:47 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 17, 2015 at 12:27 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Heywood - April 17, 2015 at 2:09 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by CapnAwesome - April 19, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 20, 2015 at 6:27 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 20, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 20, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 21, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 21, 2015 at 5:55 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 17, 2015 at 2:10 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Thumpalumpacus - May 1, 2015 at 8:32 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - May 2, 2015 at 10:39 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - May 2, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by AFTT47 - April 17, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 17, 2015 at 6:04 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 20, 2015 at 11:23 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 21, 2015 at 6:05 am
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Pizza - April 21, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Anomalocaris - April 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Brian37 - April 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 21, 2015 at 8:52 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 21, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Pizza - April 21, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 21, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 21, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by c172 - April 21, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by DeistPaladin - April 21, 2015 at 10:14 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by c172 - April 22, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 22, 2015 at 8:19 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by No_God - April 22, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 22, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 23, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by DeistPaladin - April 23, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 23, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by AFTT47 - April 30, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Whateverist - April 22, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 22, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 22, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by DeistPaladin - April 22, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 22, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 22, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 22, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by DeistPaladin - April 22, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Polaris - April 22, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by henryp - April 30, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by CapnAwesome - April 28, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - April 30, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by c172 - April 30, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: 2016 Elections - by henryp - April 30, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 30, 2015 at 12:48 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Mudhammam - April 30, 2015 at 6:48 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - April 30, 2015 at 7:05 pm
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RE: 2016 Elections - by AFTT47 - May 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by c172 - May 1, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by AFTT47 - May 1, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Minimalist - May 1, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - May 1, 2015 at 9:09 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by henryp - May 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: 2016 Elections - by Hatshepsut - May 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm
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