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Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness
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RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness
(May 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:
(May 9, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: With all due respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about.  Name three diagnoses that fit the pattern you are claiming.


The very definition of "mental illness" ties it to social norms:



Quote:A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

"Impaired ability to function in ordinary life" means that one has a problem with dealing with the society in which one lives.  And what will be incompatible with ordinary functioning in a society is largely a matter of the society in which one lives.

That's exactly how we determine whether anything is an pathological state, not just mental conditions. 

Blindness would not be classed as a disability, and various causes of blindness would not be classed as illnesses and disorders, if all humans were born blind and our society was set up in a way that accommodated that. So what? Should we not try to find cures and treatments for blindness, and should we not give blind people disability status and the support and protections that entitles them to, just because it wouldn't be classed as such if everyone were the same? 

Not being able to fly is inconvenient and sometimes causes death, but it's not classed as a disability or disorder, because it's the norm not to be able to fly, and nothing in our daily lives makes it a problem because society is set up in a way that fully accommodates our inability to fly. Do you think it should be otherwise? How do you propose we define which conditions of the mind/skin/eye/lung/liver/ are,pathological and which are not? 

There are also cases in which something would be classed as an illness or disorder even if everyone did develop it - such as the plague. Communities didn't stop treating it as an illness to be cured just because all of them had it. That's because it's more than just impairing, it's deadly and causes suffering directly. The same is true of mental disorders. While there are some which are more like blindness, in that they're only impairing in a particular context (which happens to be a universally applicable context, unless there are mole-people we don't know about), there are other mental disorders that would always be classed as disorders even if there were a pandemic, either because they cause death (e.g. anorexia nervosa, like heart disease), or suffering directly (e.g. painful depression, like painful psoriasis of the skin) and/or are so incapacitating that humanity would die out if everyone had them, e.g. schizophrenia, like paraplegia.

What's really happening is a double-standard against mental disorders, and it's just one of many. Every criticism that's leveled at psychiatry can equally be leveled at haemotology or opthalmology, yet suspiciously never is.
"Faith is a state of openness or trust. To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water. You don't grab hold of the water when you swim, because if you do you will become stiff and tight in the water, and sink. You have to relax, and the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging, and holding on. In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all. Instead they are holding tight. But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be."

Alan Watts
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Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Jenny A - May 8, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 9, 2015 at 12:17 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Razzle - May 21, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Tonus - May 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Cephus - May 11, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 10, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Silver - May 11, 2015 at 1:44 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Cyberman - May 11, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Dystopia - May 11, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 11, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 11, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by robvalue - May 12, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Razzle - May 20, 2015 at 3:13 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by comet - May 23, 2015 at 8:56 pm

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