Free will/evil/punishment

[Aroura]

you just seem to like to put words i other people's mouths.  Vague people, true, but you use these vague people in your argument about how illogical and unyielding of thought determinists are, and I don't find that a very agreeable tactic.
 
Here you are doing it again.

Hypocrite much?  Have I at any point said that determinists are illogical and unyielding?  No.  Now you are putting words in MY mouth.  I said that people who claim determinism tend not to act as though they actually believe in determinism-- i.e. they continue to act as though they have free will.  Do you dispute this?

So, pretty please, can we please stop attacking me, and start discussing ideas about free will?

I'd LOVE to discuss it, but you do seem intent on shutting down one side of the argument before it even gets off the ground.

If you had actually said that "people who claim determinism tend not to act as though they actually believe in determinism-- i.e. they continue to act as though they have free will." I would have totally agreed with you. After all, even if people realize or believe they have no free will, they are biologically determined (haha) to act as if they do, at least for the most part.

But despite your protest, that is not what you said.  What you actually said was:

Oh, there are plenty here who claim to be fully certain that free will either doesn't exist, or is simply a name for a kind of determinist brain function.

And

This is my problem with the free will discussions here-- they are too cherry-picking.
1) Free will is an illusion, so nobody could have done other than they did.
2) That guy's a child rapist. Cut off his dick, execute him, fucking make him pay.

I've seen the same people make both arguments but in different threads, and to me, this seems like they don't really believe what they've said about free will.

Saying they don't really believe it (Like you know what they believe or don't believe, jerk thing to say BTW) is not the same as saying they don't behave as if they do. And you know it.  Plus, every determinist I've seen on this forums is the opposite anyway, arguing that punishment is silly if you believe in determinism.

You do this every time a free-will argument comes up (and I'v seen this from you over years of forum posts on 2 forums BB, this isn't new), this passive-aggressive argument ad hominem.  Because you are calling these determinists you ascribe these supposed posts to liars.  

You don't want a discussion, that much is clear right from your very first post.  So I'll oblige you and stop "attacking" you.  

Please feel free to continue your.....discussion. 

(Sorry, Nothing against you personally, honestly.  Normally I like you fine, but this was a douche move on your part, IMO, and I feel you needed calling out on it)