(June 25, 2015 at 10:01 am)dyresand Wrote: @OP
They threw the doctrines of hell in the bible as a last addition it was never in the original. It was added because back then people questioned the bible
and people stopped throwing money towards the church as people left they had the light bulb idea to scare them back into believing. Anyways its good
to see a theist think the idea of hell is absurd it really is that would mean that said being god is clearly not all loving. But even still god of the bible should
be question just as bad as hell and satan.
These things lead to my giving up belief... the most profound that I remember at the moment (list not intended to be all inclusive);
10) Dinosaurs (the first one, when I was about 5... so to believers reading this, don't talk shit on dinosaurs to a 5 year old)
9) My Punjabi caretaker is going to hell (again, about 5 years old)
8) God can't just forgive everyone because... just because. (about 12 years old)
7) The Anglicans and Catholics are going to hell also (about 14 years old, when I sang in a Choir all around Europe, met some pretty nice folks. But "that's cool that you met some new people across the pond, they're going to hell.")
6) The incident where my crush told me in High School that I'll go to hell if I don't believe in Christ (at this point, I was only pretending to believe... age 16)
5) My experience in Iraq. I was an investigator in Iraq. Orthodox Christians there literally dig tunnels to the Church so they don't have to be killed on the way, by "more pious" Islamic fanatics. I thought, "If these people are going to hell, then I'm going with them." Soft-ass American Christians haven't even dipped their toes into real persecution, ever whining about the "War on Christmas". I converted, my wife converted, and my children were baptized and Chrismated in the Holy Orthodox Faith.
4) When I discovered that... when it comes down to it, even the Orthodox Church believes in a literal place of hellfire where God allows people to be tortured. Now this is more difficult to discover, especially if you're educated in early Christian literature and Church history. I know that sounds ridiculous, but, it was. This is because canonical law, Holy Tradition, and practice are entirely separate things.*
3) When I found out that my Vladika Confessor was silenced on important social & theological issues because he taught that "[Christ will come back to judge no one, blood atonement is a vicious heresy, hellfire & brimstone is contradictory to the central revelation of Christ]". I was scared at this point, that someone who had all of my respect and veneration (not in a weird cult way) as, quite possibly, a living Saint was silenced by the Church.
2) Getting into philosophy and science - very deep, in fact. Becoming conversant on issues of cosmology, biology, and physics with undergrad students that major in those studies. I know enough to get along in a conversation, but certainly not as much as they do.
1) The Euthyphro Dilemma <-<-<-<-<- demands that you put down your assumptions and holds you accountable for your theology and philosophy. The single most important question to a theist, that demonstrates that the God of scripture cannot be all those things that scripture attributes to him.
*Icons of the Father (Slavonic traditions defy this), kneeling on Sundays (except if you're performing confession), etc. etc. etc.