RE: government controlling/monitoring child bearing
July 10, 2015 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2015 at 6:39 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 10, 2015 at 5:06 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:(July 10, 2015 at 4:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Having the opinion that contraception is not moral does not mean we support mindless reproduction, btw. :
If everyone followed the Church teaching to save sex for marriage, there would be a lot less pregnancies. Also, the Church does encourage responsible family planning by fertility monitoring.
You may not agree with either of these things, but saying we advocate for "mindless reproduction" is simply inaccurate.
Everyone following the church's teachings about sex before marriage is SO not going to happen. Ten percent is SO not going to happen so the practical matter is that the stupid anti-birth control stance results in unwanted pregnancies. Just look at the rate of single, teen mothers in Catholic countries vs. non-Catholic. Look at how successful GWB's idiotic abstinence-only sex education has worked.
The point is the Church does not advocate for "mindless reproduction", like you said lol.
The Church advocates for saving sex for marriage, and for responsible family planning through the means of fertility monitoring. To say the Church advocates for mindless reproduction is wrong.
(btw, the "Catholic countries" you speak of are in Central and South America, which are mostly 3rd world and poor. This would explain why the pregnancy rate is higher. I am Brazilian (living in the US) and I can tell you that the public schools there do not implement abstinence only programs lol.)
(July 10, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(July 10, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The bible is not Church doctrine. This is fact. Randy knows this and has never and would never say otherwise.
So you reject the bible?
I am rejecting the bible as doctrine, yes. I am Catholic. Catholicism is not sola scriptura and does not hold the bible as an infallible church document. Just because the bible may say something, doesn't mean that thing is doctrine to us Catholics.
Edit to add: This does not mean I don't think the bible is important or that it isn't an inspired work.
It just means that as a Catholic, I don't take every single phrase in the bible as Doctrinal Truth. The point you brought up, for example, about "women being the source of evil in the world" is not Church doctrine or Church teaching of any kind lol. Jesus being divine, on the other hand, is Church doctrine. I hope that helps clear it up!
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
