(July 15, 2015 at 11:20 am)Chad32 Wrote:(July 15, 2015 at 10:00 am)Rekeisha Wrote: You have not accounted for knowledge, logic, or consciousness you have just stated that we are able to use them. I am asking with your world-view, which says we are just the byproducts of chaos, how do you account for uniformity or the ability for conscious and coherent thought? How can you reason at all? When have you ever observed consciousness coming from non-consciousness?
You are just judging God by arbitrary means because your system of morals, as you have already stated, are subjective to you. Your judgment on Him has no authority.
Evil is a corruption of good. A good action has to exist first for there to be a bad action. Lying can not exist before the truth because reality must exist before someone can speak a falsity about it. So God is good and has never changed and there is no mixture in Him. He is pure and good. Since the world has become corrupted by our sin he through the cross has sought a way to purify us so that we can have a relationship with Him. He must judge sin because as I stated before He is pure and good. Yet he is loving and wishes that we would all come into a relationship with Him.
So this is how Jesus sacrificed, because I used to have the same question. He being the one who made all thing and is above all things made himself the the lowest. He didn't come to the earth as a rich man but poor. He grew up in a limited and imperfect human body. He allowed His creation to attack Him, to betray Him, and murder Him all so that He could take your sin and my sin upon Himself. And this great mystery that I don't understand, He was separated form God the Father because He became a substitute for us. He was always in perfect relationship with the Father but he took the full force of the wrath of God so that we wouldn't have to. He didn't do this through His power but through the power of His the Holy Spirit.
You only assume that you can live your life without Him. He keeps the universe in uniformity so the fact that you can trust certain practices to work and keep you alive is all due to God.
Is it really arbitrary to say slavery is bad? That human sacrifice is bad? That rape is always wrong? That killing groups of people for holding beliefs that don't endanger your group is bad? That killing an innocent person to pay for the crimes of the guilty is bad? That punishing someone infinitely for finite crimes is bad? You're trying to say that all these things are fine, at least some of the time, because you read about it in a book, and you accuse me of having arbitrary reasons for disagreeing. This is why I'm not sure why I'm even still posting in this thread anymore. Your views are so ridiculous that nothing I say is going to penetrate.
If god really wanted to send someone down to change the world for the better, he should have been born into royalty. Then he could have run a country in a good way, influenced other leaders of the world through diplomacy, and brought people closer to what goodness is. Instead he grew up a poor guy, spent ten years talking to people in a small area, and his attempts to disrupt the status quo were met with gruesome execution. Instead of sending himself down to die, he should have sent himself down to lift others up. It was a poor job, and not the first time he did a poor job.
I'm done. I don't usually get this rude with people on the internet, but I'm frustrated and exhausted with this. I'm sorry. I have nothing else to say.
My world-view doesn't see sin as arbitrary because I have a truth that is outside of myself that I can judge both my actions and other to see wither they are right or wrong. You on the other hand you claim that there are only subjective morals. So your anger can be your own but you can't make a truth claim about these things being bad because your world-view can't give any concrete moral reasons because they are only subjective. Your anger towards my statement shows me that you instinctively know the truth. It has nothing to do with your feelings or your opinion on the matter. People are imbued with a sacred nature and to see someone destroyed goes against that nature. You and everyone else are worth more than what you claim and your sin cost you more than you know.
