(March 17, 2017 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 17, 2017 at 10:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: Drich, suppose you knew nothing about hallucinogenics.
Suppose I gave you some instructions detailing that you had to take a particular pill and that was enough for you to experience the hidden world. The world under our own, the meta-world.
You'd follow instructions and find yourself in such a world.
Does that make that meta-world real?
Look real close at the terms and phrases you've decided to use in relation to the question you asked.
You've answered yourself.
Besides, you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Do you remember the matrix? Do you remember Morpheus trying to explain to neo what the matrix was for the first time? He asks "what is real." @50 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZiLMGdCE0
"Real is perception, it is nothing more that our interpretation of a series of electrical inputs from our senses."
IF you could accurately document the LSD world, and to one extent or another everyone who entered that world experience the same things under the same conditions. then even if the senses were altered, while in that altered state, those imputs would indeed be 'real' while in that state.
That what the Bible offers. It offers to put you the individual in front of the same God I was sat in front of.
Where you are comparing apples and oranges is the Meta-world can not be documented, and the bible does not need one to be in a meta state.
Luckily, I disagree with Morpheus there.
Real is what reality is. Whatever it is.
Our perception is our decoding of how our sensors perceive reality.
In the matrix, that perception bypasses the sensors and is supplied false sensory data.
Just like when you're in an altered state, brought on by that pill I mentioned, or by whatever happened to you that brought about that dream of yours.
I know you weren't exactly a healthy person, so I can't begin to imagine what cocktail you had coursing through your brain when that happened... but it does seem to me like this is a more likely option than the "meta-world" actually existing and you experienced it, as I'm not going down the solipsist road.
