RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 17, 2017 at 6:44 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2017 at 6:54 pm by possibletarian.)
(November 17, 2017 at 6:35 pm)SteveII Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 5:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If I -know- that you're going to turn left...can you turn right? If you can.....just what did I know, again? Not that it matters either way. God doesn't have to know a damned thing for this whole redemptive scheme to be bunk...and by the looks of the redemptive scheme..."not a damned thing" seems like an accurate summary of what god knows.
This isn't hard to understand--you should be able to keep up.
God does not know that you turned right (so there is no fact of the matter for him to know), he can anticipate, without error, all the steps leading up to your decision--including the way you think--so what he knows is what you will decide. Just like I know that my wife will choose chocolate over vanilla except with a infinite mind with all knowable facts and counterfactuals available to him.
Then that simply brings us back to asking, why did he allow people to be born, whom he knew would suffer eternally ?
(November 17, 2017 at 6:35 pm)SteveII Wrote:Bold and Italics mine*(November 17, 2017 at 5:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If I -know- that you're going to turn left...can you turn right? If you can.....just what did I know, again? Not that it matters either way. God doesn't have to know a damned thing for this whole redemptive scheme to be bunk...and by the looks of the redemptive scheme..."not a damned thing" seems like an accurate summary of what god knows.
This isn't hard to understand--you should be able to keep up.
God does not know that you turned right (so there is no fact of the matter for him to know), he can anticipate, without error, all the steps leading up to your decision--including the way you think--so what he knows is what you will decide. Just like I know that my wife will choose chocolate over vanilla except with a infinite mind with all knowable facts and counterfactuals available to him.
The what is prophecy then if not god knowing what you will do ? How do you separate god predicting with absolute certainty, and knowing, and therefore responsibility ?
How could I have a choice if god 'knew' what a person would choose, does that person then exist for the purpose of hell only ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
