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Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
(11 hours ago)SteveII Wrote:
(Yesterday, 21:12)KevinM1 Wrote: Isn’t it more accurate to say god loaned his son?  I mean, he did get better a few days later.

Setting aside death by crucifixion, what was it like for an omniscient mind to physically bear all the sins of mankind past, present, and future all at the same time? When you think about it, God willing endured something unimaginable to us that would change him (by having the experience) in a less than positive way.

When I think about it, I consider it fiction.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
(18 minutes ago)SteveII Wrote:
(1 hour ago)Khemikal Wrote: If I -know- that you're going to turn left...can you turn right? If you can.....just what did I know, again?  Not that it matters either way.  God doesn't have to know a damned thing for this whole redemptive scheme to be bunk...and by the looks of the redemptive scheme..."not a damned thing" seems like an accurate summary of what god knows.

This isn't hard to understand--you should be able to keep up.

God does not know that you turned right (so there is no fact of the matter for him to know), he can anticipate, without error, all the steps leading up to your decision--including the way you think--so what he knows is what you will decide.  Just like I know that my wife will choose chocolate over vanilla except with a infinite mind with all knowable facts and counterfactuals available to him.

Then that simply brings us back to asking, why did he allow people to be born, whom he knew would suffer eternally ?

(18 minutes ago)SteveII Wrote:
(1 hour ago)Khemikal Wrote: If I -know- that you're going to turn left...can you turn right? If you can.....just what did I know, again?  Not that it matters either way.  God doesn't have to know a damned thing for this whole redemptive scheme to be bunk...and by the looks of the redemptive scheme..."not a damned thing" seems like an accurate summary of what god knows.

This isn't hard to understand--you should be able to keep up.

God does not know that you turned right (so there is no fact of the matter for him to know), he can anticipate, without error, all the steps leading up to your decision--including the way you think--so what he knows is what you will decide.  Just like I know that my wife will choose chocolate over vanilla except with a infinite mind with all knowable facts and counterfactuals available to him.
Bold and Italics mine*

The what is prophecy then if not god knowing what you will do ?  How do you separate god predicting with absolute certainty, and knowing ?
How could I have a choice if god 'knew' what a person would choose, does that person then exist for the purpose of hell only ?
'Those who ask questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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