(October 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Unfortunately for the bible (and your response) babies are not born into sin, as "sin" whatever the fuck it is to begin with (bullshit), doesn't appear to have any means of hereditary transfer (unless you'd like to demonstrate at least two things for us).
The Bible would say differently...that sin is in fact hereditary.
Romans 5:12 (NLT) — 12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
(October 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Imagine that my daughters were the scum of the fucking earth and my son was a paragon of virtue and innocence. Does this change your reaction to the scenario? Can I beat them within an inch of their life now to make my sons gift (of not being beaten and getting a new trike) more wonderful? Does that demonstrate my glory or mercy or (sense of-standard of)justice?
It would be more accurate if your son too was scum of the earth. Then you as a just judge (God is a just judge) should punish them all, but you choose to have mercy on some and take the punishment yourself so that the son (whom in this scenario would be the one that you would take the punishment for) can be shown mercy instead of justice. And yet you are still just because punishment was executed.
(October 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Now, to bring that home......there are a great many of us who's only "sin" (I hate it when I have to humor you) is our lack of belief. Really solid stuff right there.
Sin is when you do things, like things, love things, in a way that shows that you value those things more than God.
We are all born that way, but God in his great mercy redeems those that would place their faith in Jesus.
Titus 3:3–7 (NLT) — 3 Once we, too, were foolish and disobedient. We were misled and became slaves to many lusts and pleasures. Our lives were full of evil and envy, and we hated each other. 4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love, 5 he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit. 6 He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior. 7 Because of his grace he declared us righteous and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life.”
