(June 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:yeah... the atheist has no justification for the fact that all electrons behave the same, all protons behave the same, all neutrons behave the same, all photons behave the same... maybe it's because an electron is an electron and there's no reason for an electron to behave differently from another electron, is there?Quote: ok, let's start with your first guess.
Science. How does science lead to a "logically inconsistent and incoherent" view of reality? Last I checked, science was humanity's foremost window into reality.
That’s not what I said; the atheist cannot make sense of his/her use of science. More precisely, that in a purely natural Universe science would be impossible. Science requires that trials under identical or similar conditions will yield identical or similar results. If I drop a ball in Kansas it will behave the same as if I drop it the next day in Kansas, or the same day in Tennessee, or a year later in Tennessee. The Christian can make perfect sense of this principle because in His view of reality we live in a Universe that is uniformly upheld by God in a predictable manner. The atheist on the other hand, has no justification for this principle and yet without it science is impossible.
The behavior of electrons doesn't change with time.... because... I don't know... It's a good thing they don't, though. Why should they change?
But, in spite of my not knowing that, it does not mean there must be an entity keeping all electrons in the Universe behaving... keeping all protons in the Universe behaving, keeping all neutrons in the Universe behaving, keeping all photons in the Universe behaving, etc, etc, etc.
(June 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Another example, science requires that our senses and memory are generally reliable, and yet we see the same problem arising. The Christian has reasons to trust his or her senses and memory because in his or her view of reality we are all the product of a rational God who has created us and desires for us to learn about Him through our senses. In a purely atheistic Universe there is no reason for a person to trust their senses or memory, all attempts to justify this position lead to vicious circularity. I am not saying atheists do not do science; I am saying atheists do science because their atheism is wrong.Our senses and memory are generally reliable, yes... but we are aware that they fail, and have hence established the peer review process to eliminate (it's more like minimize) any bias or faulty evaluation by the scientists.
In the "atheistic Universe" we acknowledge that our senses and memory work in a given way and proceed to deal with them like that. Again, we put no assumptions on how electrons, ions, proton, neutrons, photons keep working the way they do as time goes by. But we do note that it's a good thing they do... memory and senses are just electrons and protons and neutrons working together in a particular way...
Now, how on Earth did you come across the info that there is an entity capable of controlling all those particles and keep them behaving like they do?
Where's your peer reviewed paper.... heck, that would probably have enough material for a book!!
(June 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(June 18, 2013 at 6:11 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Have I told you I'd like to see you and Muslim Scholar have a chat?
Nope, you’ve never told me that before; but that would not make your atheism anymore valid since Muslims and Christians are both theists.
It renders your theism very similar to his.
Which leads to the question: why would your version be the most accurate representation of reality, and not his?