RE: What is "FAITH"
July 6, 2013 at 8:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm by Consilius.)
(July 6, 2013 at 11:45 am)Rahul Wrote: [quote='Consilius' pid='473156' dateline='1373083383']Let's not get hypocritical here. They probably just don't get what I'm trying to say.
Quote:This isn't a naughty kid. This is a grown man who refuses to honor his parents in their old age. If he can get drunk and handle money, he is probably old enough to know this law in the first place and give his aging parents the respect they deserve.
He's a grown man? It just says son. That person could be 13 years old as far as you or I know.
Where do you glean that he is "grown"?
The person described is male and not and/or female. Male Israelites took care of their parents when they were grown up and their parents were old.
The man described is getting drunk and wasting money. Only adults could do that in the ancient Middle East, in the same way it is today.
I'm afraid they will never learn, I'm not saying they do not understand what we say, I'm saying they will reject truth because it does not suit their self absorbed ways.
They have evidence of what I am saying, and all they need is to refute my conclusion.
(July 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Justify Moses all you want; in the end he's still a mass murderer.Moses killed one man in his entire lifetime. That's not mass murder. You blatantly ignored or overlooked everything I just said and said exactly what you said before.
Are you also going to tell me that Elisha didn't order bears to jump out and maul a bunch of kids for calling him baldy, or that their sin was greater than what was actually written about?
On Elijah cursing children in 2 Kings 2:23-24.
They weren't children. The Hebrew word neurim qetannim means "young man": between the ages of 12 and 30. Isaac was in his early twenties when he is nearly sacrificed in Genesis 22:12, and Joseph is seventeen in Genesis 37:2.
Elisha had finished revoking an Joshua's earlier curse on the nearby city of Jericho (Joshua 6:26) by making its water clean (2 Kings 2:19-22). Elisha was a prophet, a representative of God, as he had proven not long ago, and the insults were not going to him but to the God he stood for. This isn't very surprising, since he was traveling through an area of Israelite pagan worship (1 Kings 12:32). These men, if not pagan priests themselves, were pagan worshippers.
Elisha responded to this threat to his prophetic mission by cursing them in the name of the God he stood for, and the one they were insulting. There is no evidence he prayed for any type of punishment at all, rather, God executed the curse by sending bears to maul them. That 42 of these men were captured and mauled by two bears suggests that there could have been many more people gathered against this one man.
This wasn't playful teasing from a few kids, but a mass gathering of pagans against a prophet.
http://christianthinktank.com/qmeanelisha.htm