RE: What is "FAITH"
July 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2013 at 3:25 pm by Consilius.)
(July 14, 2013 at 7:53 am)Rationalman Wrote:The universe cannot be younger than the oldest thing in it. Just a theory.(July 14, 2013 at 2:30 am)Consilius Wrote: My argument is based off of human reason. That's the authority it is subject to, as well as to some observable facts.
I don't think it is human reason at all. It is your own brand of reasoning you are using. Thats irrelevant anyway, the point is: no matter how logical you think you have been when coming to your conclusions, unless you have evidence, these assertions of yours mean nothing. 'Human reason' doesn't count as evidence
(July 14, 2013 at 8:04 am)genkaus Wrote: We don't need to go back any further. The singularity was the uncaused cause. Disprove that.So we DO have an uncaused cause, the existence of which I've been advocating for all this time.
Quote:Because - and read slowly, so that you understand - causation is a spatio-temporal phenomenon. Since time and space are aspects of universe and do not exist "outside" it, the causation is an aspect of universe as well and therefore does not apply prior to it.Our universe WAS caused? That's not what I've been hearing.