(July 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm)Consilius Wrote: Time began when the universe did. It was developed by something that did not rely on time; something that was timeless. If it did not rely on time, then it did not rely on cause.
If it did not rely on time, then it did not need time to cause the universe. The causation of the universe brought about time and, with it, cause. Everything in our universe, therefore, needs time and cause. The cause of our universe exists on a different plane and by nature does not have either time or cause, as it did before both of these two existed.
Do you not see how silly you sound here? "Beginning of time" is a ridiculous concept because any beginning would require time to be already present. Any action that takes place would also be a time-dependent phenomena - so talking about something developing or causing something else without a temporal context is stupid. Its like you have memorized the sentences but don't understand what they actually mean. Any sort of cause would require a temporal context - one that exists only within our universe - and therefore the concept of cause does not apply to the universe.
(July 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm)Consilius Wrote: "the causation is an aspect of universe as well and therefore does not apply prior to it."
You said that since causation is an aspect of the universe, there can be no causation "before" it.
Is an uncaused thing needed to make cause exist?
No. Causing cause to exist would be an act of causation which wouldn't apply without pre-existing causation.