Abortion and Women's Rights

[DeistPaladin]

First, being bad is not equivalent to having raped the mother.

I consider that to be bad but maybe you want to use a different word. Evil? Sadistic? Sociopathic? We could use all these words but it's beside the point. My point is to ask if you think it's OK to kill the children of rapists as a matter of expediency? Some must be sacrificed for the greater good and all?

Second, like Bad Wolf, you use the very ambiguous "OK." As I explained, I still find abortion to be morally incorrect in the case of rape. However, if a law limiting abortion was close to passing and the only hangup was that some people insisted on an exception for rape before supporting it, then I would accept that exception as a practical matter, as the law would decrease abortion.

I get what you're saying. I just want you to fully own your line of reasoning. You really think that a fetus is a living, thinking, feeling being like you or I but some will just need to be thrown under the bus for the sake of the rest, right?

Ultimately, your objective will be to ban all abortion, including in the case of rape, right? This allowance is just a mask to make your political agenda more palatable to moderates, right? If you were really honest, you'd say, "we'll allow abortion for rape for now but we'll revisit banning that too at a later time." But a little dishonesty is needed as a means to an end, right?

So basically, you're comfortable with both genocide and dishonesty as a matter of practicality because the ends will justify these means, right? You realize you're going to need to throw any pretense of believing in "absolute morals" out the window in order to be consistent with your statement that the ends justify the means, right?

Just looking to understand your thinking here and make sure you're comfortable with all it entails.

Let's say you achieve your objective. Abortion is banned except for cases of rape. Congratulations on your political victory. Now how does this work? How do you determine if the fetus really was conceived in a rape?

Do you take the mother's word for it? Now all women seeking abortion can simply say they were raped to make use of the loophole.

Perhaps we'd need evidence of some kind? What evidence should she produce to prove she was raped?

Do we wait for an arrest of the perp? Should we wait for it to go to trial? Maybe we need a conviction first? What if the convicted rapist appeals? Should we wait until that trial is over and the conviction upheld? Keep in mid the clock is ticking and we only have so long to wait before viability.

Maybe you have thought about this. I'm just curious about your thinking here.