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Abortion and Women's Rights
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
(June 1, 2014 at 9:57 am)Jason_ab Wrote: 1) Does anyone here underastands that killing animals is ALSO moraly debateable?
2) My personal opinion is that at this specific topic is very difficult to get to a morally safe conclusion.
We can try to come up with a specific point in the life of a baby-to-be that we will grand it with human rights. Since that is not scientifically possible (because the factor that determines personhood is purely subjective) all we can do is let everyone decide at their own?
Maybe I believe that a baby-to-be is a human being on the 1st day. My friend believes it is at the 21 weeks, and someone else believes that a day before birth a baby is not a human person. So? Should she terminate the pregnancy one day before birth? Should she do such a thing two days before death? How about three?
If the 21week is our mark, what about 11 o'clock of the last day of the 20th week? Should a pregnant woman do an exam to see if there is brain function at the baby-to-be and if not, it's ok to abort?
And of course, how on earth is it different than killing animals?
Furthermore... if we decide that "superior mental development" is what seperates people from non-people, then I should point out that a one year old dog is quite "mentally superior" to an infant that is one day old... so where does this lead us?

In my world (Ohio, USA), this has already been decided. No need to ask how we decide. After 20 weeks, the fetus needs to be tested for viability. If the fetus is determined to be viable, you can only have an abortion if it is medically necesarry. No need to debate it, now we need to start debating important issues like sex ed and birth control.

Also, the dog question....it leads us to where we are right now. I already posted posted the definition of a human being. Superior mental development, speech, and upright stance. A dog does not qualify.
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - May 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by topher - May 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Minimalist - May 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Lek - May 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 27, 2014 at 12:13 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 10:40 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:16 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:24 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:48 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 10:05 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 11:03 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 30, 2014 at 8:55 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 31, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 1, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 9:04 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 8:18 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 8:00 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 30, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 30, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 30, 2014 at 11:52 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 6:25 pm
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