Abortion and Women's Rights

[DeistPaladin]

I noted some time ago that I have no objective in this matter. It's been settled law in the U.S. for decades.

So why are you on this thread at all?

Plus, I can say the same to you, as you seem to think that abortion after 21 weeks is murder or akin to it.

Actually, my position is "restricted to the issues of the health of the mother after 21 weeks" and I'm much more confident than you in my assessment that our moral obligations toward other beings is based on whether or not those other beings are self-aware.

Are people who eat meat accomplices to murder because animals think?

Eating animals is unfortunately part of the natural order and arguably required. It's a less than perfect world. I draw the line at gratuitous cruelty, such as tossing kittens over a cliff for fun. You keep dodging that question, by the way.

Is tossing kittens off a cliff for fun something that's OK to do since kittens don't have human DNA?

Let's say we encounter an unlikely planet called Pandora and find an equally unlikely alien race of giant catlike humanoids. Can we just bomb them and take their stuff because we can and they're not human?

You don't like Star Trek, how about the movie A.I.? If we create self-aware androids, can we continue to treat them as disposable property or what?

Interesting...her own body. A fetus has a body prior to 21 weeks.

Your point?

If pain is the dividing line, then it's moral to kill anyone, as long as it's done painlessly.

Are you really this stupid or are you being dishonest hoping no one will catch you in this straw man distortion?

I said, "no brain, no pain", not "no pain, no brain". A thing that is not self-aware will not experience pain. But a thing that doesn't experience pain might still be self-aware. This is pretty basic logic but that's obviously beyond you.

And while I think your star wars bit is silly...

Star Trek you moron.