Abortion and Women's Rights

[Jason_ab]

... simply does NOT apply in this particular subject because proving something like fetus pain is impossible

Wrong. Maybe you refuse to accept scientific evidence, but it can be proven.

Dude, stop being sarcastic. OF COURSE I accept scientific evidence when there is some. But... how could fetus "pain" be measured? Is there something I don't know about this subject? Please give me a link or something.

You'd be hard pressed to find couples who have unprotected sex and use abortion as birth control as the anti-abortion crowd strawman dictates.

And anti-abortion rhetoric rings hollow. These are the same people trying to get the morning after pill banned, and spending time and effort to cut funding to Planned Parenthood, the only source of The Pill for many young or low income couples.

You say you want more alternatives, yet the "Pro Life" crowd are working night and day to keep responsible birth control away from the couples and age ranges who need it most.

1)Have you noticed that "pro-abortion" rhetoric seems to consider most of the abortions to be made from rape victims or mothers whose life is in danger if proceeding with the pregnancy? Don't know about the US, but here in Greece the majority of abortions are NOT about rape victims or about mothers or babys-to-be with serious health problems. They are simply the result of not programmed and unwanted pregnancies.

2)I really cannot change my point of view on a subject because others who have similar but not quite identical point of view seem to be... let's say... mentally and intellectually disoriented.

3)About the alternatives thing. Last year I have paid about 200.000 euro in taxes and VAT. I would LOVE to pay even more taxes so that young and unmarried girls who happen to get pregnant had their babies and received money from the state for 15-20 years. I believe it's a good cause.
Other solutions could be free condoms in schools or classes about sexual education.
Adoptions could be made easier, there could be a lot of tv ads that promote the use of condoms... any one not even too bright legistlator could come up with hundreds more ideas. I believe that this is where we should put our money and our time.
We could discuss for ages in order to come up with the time line that seperates abortion from murder, but my belief is that it is best to think in more constructive ways.

Lastly I would like to say that if an abortion is to be made there is no reason to wait till the 20th week since nowdays pregnancy tests can be accurate a lot sooner.