RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
June 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2014 at 12:18 pm by John V.)
(June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Which gets into a complex issue of human dietary requirements. Is a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle really sufficient?Yes, it is.
Quote:Non Sequitur. The reason you offer is not related to morality.You made a distinction for cats and dogs earlier, yet you support killing other animals with similar brain power. What reason related to morality do you have for this distinction?
Quote:Thank you for discontinuing your waffling on this issue and revealing yourself as amoral.You'd protect robots and kittens, but not cows, although you feel that they think like an infant does.
Quote:"Gratuitous violence", remember that distinction?Yes, and that's why I changed the scenario to eating kittens. You would support that, as it's not gratuitous, right?
Quote:Sure there is. Only self-aware beings experience pain, fear, desire respect for their rights to choice, etc. Therefore, questions of morality, which deal with how our actions might inflict pain, cause fear or curtail the freedoms of others, directly relate to whether or not a being is self-aware. I can't make it any more simple than that for you.Are you equating brain activity with self-awareness?
Why are you OK with curtailing the freedom of cows and chickens by killing and eating them?
Why stop at any brain activity? Could the line be drawn at higher functioning? Why not allow infanticide? Why not allow, or require, execution of those below a certain IQ? Or maybe enslavement?
(June 2, 2014 at 12:04 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Then shut upTrying to curtail my freedom...nice...
Quote:and let women decide for themselves when and if they wish to have an abortion.I've repeatedly noted that I'm not doing anything to stop them, and that I only have a position, not an agenda.
I've repeatedly said, and you've repeatedly ignored, that the burden of proof is on you to show that you have good cause to deny women their undisputed rights to control their own bodies and make their own choices. You need to do better then, "well, you know, my personal opinion is..."
It's interesting that you get so upset