(June 9, 2014 at 8:00 am)alpha male Wrote: First, you're shifting goalposts. You had been saying 21 weeks, which is second trimester. This seems to be an admission that your preferred 21 week mark is arbitrary.I've been fully consistent in communicating how I arrived at my 21 week mark and what it means. It's the most conservative estimate of how soon self-awareness might be possible.
Quote:Second, it doesn't meet all possible criteria, as one possible criterion of personhood is autonomy, which the baby doesn't have. Others have opined that the baby may have a right to life, but not a right to life inside the mother's body.Which would be inducing birth, not abortion per se. So yeah, the checklist is complete as far as abortion is concerned.
Quote:Yes, I'm honest enough to acknowledge that a matter of opinion is a matter of opinion....and that you feel it's OK for you to force your opinions on other people.
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