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Abortion and Women's Rights
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
(June 9, 2014 at 3:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: Me too, but as you haven't shown that 99% of medical biologists say one thing, this is irrelevant.
I've asked a question. This guy has offered an opinion that is way outside what I've studied in mainstream textbooks and it staggers belief that a pre-fetus embryo is self-aware. Until I see others verifying his findings, I'll continue to regard him as the fringe.

Quote:If it's a gray area due to it being opinion, that would be understandable, but you insist that your position is not opinion.
That our moral obligations is toward self-aware beings and not toward inanimate objects or living beings that aren't self-aware is an opinion I supported with logical arguments way back here. This is not mere opinion.

logical argument > someone's opinion

And since my timeline more-or-less dovetails with the alternate perspective, that viability is the standard, it's pretty much settled.

Quote:If you therefore mean that the point at which a baby thinks is a gray area due to current technological limitations to our understanding, then you would set the limit at the earliest date if you were a moral person.
Actually, the play-it-safe position is not to legislate away someone else's decision until the facts are in.

But do keep saying my opinions are arbitrary. It helps you maintain the "c'mon, both sides do it" rationalization.
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - May 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by topher - May 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Foxaèr - May 25, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by ThePinsir - May 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 25, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by topher - May 25, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Minimalist - May 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Lek - May 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 25, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 27, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Minimalist - May 27, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 27, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:32 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 28, 2014 at 7:47 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 28, 2014 at 8:34 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Hoopington - May 28, 2014 at 8:58 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by kılıç_mehmet - May 27, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 28, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 28, 2014 at 11:17 am
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Coffee Jesus - May 28, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 28, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:16 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Writer - May 28, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:33 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 11:47 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 30, 2014 at 8:55 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 30, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 7:31 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by LostLocke - May 31, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 9:21 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 9:48 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 31, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 1, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by RobbyPants - June 3, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 4, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 2:28 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 5, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 5, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 5, 2014 at 9:15 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 8:06 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 8:38 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 9, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 10, 2014 at 8:18 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 4, 2014 at 3:48 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - May 31, 2014 at 9:32 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 9:42 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Mr Greene - May 29, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 30, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 30, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 11:48 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 5:23 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 31, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 10:14 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 9:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 6:25 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 2, 2014 at 8:09 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - June 1, 2014 at 12:17 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 1, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - June 1, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 2, 2014 at 3:53 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Mr Greene - June 2, 2014 at 9:24 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by LostLocke - June 3, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - June 3, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 3, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 9:04 pm
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