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Abortion and Women's Rights
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights
(June 9, 2014 at 5:19 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I've asked a question. This guy has offered an opinion that is way outside what I've studied in mainstream textbooks and it staggers belief that a pre-fetus embryo is self-aware. Until I see others verifying his findings, I'll continue to regard him as the fringe.
This guy has an opinion. You have a differing opinion. Until you support that 99% agree with you, this will continue to be a matter of opinion.

Quote:That our moral obligations is toward self-aware beings and not toward inanimate objects or living beings that aren't self-aware is an opinion I supported with logical arguments way back here. This is not mere opinion.

logical argument > someone's opinion
Not when the logic stems from premises which are bare assertions and appeals to self-evidence:
Quote:Consciousness is what determines our moral obligations toward one another. This is evident in how we have no such obligations toward rocks.
Quote:And since my timeline more-or-less dovetails with the alternate perspective, that viability is the standard, it's pretty much settled.
Again, IMO it's immoral to to accept "more-or-less" and "pretty much" as standards regarding the question of terminating a human life.

Quote:Actually, the play-it-safe position is not to legislate away someone else's decision until the facts are in.
That is the expedient position. The moral position is to go with the earliest point at which your standard might be met until we know better.
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - May 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by topher - May 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 25, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by topher - May 25, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Minimalist - May 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Lek - May 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 27, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Minimalist - May 27, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by vorlon13 - May 27, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:13 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bittersmart - May 27, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 9:50 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Artur Axmann - May 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 28, 2014 at 7:47 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 28, 2014 at 8:34 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by The Valkyrie - May 27, 2014 at 9:36 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by kılıç_mehmet - May 27, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 7:21 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 28, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 28, 2014 at 11:17 am
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 28, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Coffee Jesus - May 28, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 28, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:16 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Writer - May 28, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:33 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 29, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 11:29 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 11:47 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 29, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 29, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 30, 2014 at 8:55 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 30, 2014 at 4:36 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 7:31 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by LostLocke - May 31, 2014 at 8:00 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - May 31, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - May 31, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - May 31, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 1, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 1:14 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 2, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 3, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by RobbyPants - June 3, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by RobbyPants - June 3, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 4, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 4, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 5, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 5, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 5, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 5, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 5, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 8:06 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 8:38 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 9, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 10, 2014 at 8:18 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 4, 2014 at 3:48 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 2, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - May 31, 2014 at 9:32 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 9:42 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Mr Greene - May 29, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 29, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 30, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 30, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 30, 2014 at 11:52 am
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 30, 2014 at 3:08 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 5:23 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - May 31, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 10:14 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by heathendegenerate - May 30, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 9:03 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - May 31, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - May 31, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 1, 2014 at 6:25 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Cato - June 1, 2014 at 12:17 pm
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RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Jason_ab - June 1, 2014 at 12:39 pm
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Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 1, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Bad Wolf - June 1, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 2, 2014 at 3:53 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Mr Greene - June 2, 2014 at 9:24 am
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by LastPoet - June 2, 2014 at 2:37 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by LostLocke - June 3, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Chas - June 3, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by John V - June 3, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by RobbyPants - June 3, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Abortion and Women's Rights - by Rampant.A.I. - June 3, 2014 at 6:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 3, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 3, 2014 at 9:30 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Grandizer - June 4, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Snowflake - June 5, 2014 at 1:14 am
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Abortion and Women's Rights - by Losty - June 9, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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