(January 16, 2015 at 3:36 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(January 15, 2015 at 7:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You say, "deny the identity of theists" I say, "teach theists that there is a time and place for their religion and that places like governemnt law and education aren't one of them." These places need to stay neutral, which is the goal of secularism.
No one's trying to remove god, fr0d0, although, I understand if you fail to realize this due to the fact that the idea of feeling persecuted is built into your religion. We're just trying to eliminate the special privelage religion has demanded over the centuries and pointing out that acknowledging your religion in public arenas is giving it special privelage over the large variety of beliefs that many others hold.
Treating your beliefs equally to all others is not infringing on your religious beliefs whatsoever, so stop with the whiny melodrama.
None of that addresses my problem fnm but thanks for the input.
You know, I think, that I don't agree with religious involvement in education or government. In my case those would be straw men arguments that you are making.
What I'm hearing secularists say is that no one has a right to be offended about their beliefs. Trying to enforce their own belief system upon the whole population. They seriously want this made law. This to you would be like a religious group saying that you must obey their particular dogma. You are in fact being hypocritical.
Everyone's allowed to be offended. No one is trying to take away your God, (as he doesn't exsist.) But no one is forcing a belief upon you or anyone. Separating Church and state is not forcing beliefs on anyone.
