(January 16, 2015 at 12:34 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(January 16, 2015 at 3:36 am)fr0d0 Wrote: None of that addresses my problem fnm but thanks for the input.
You know, I think, that I don't agree with religious involvement in education or government. In my case those would be straw men arguments that you are making.
What I'm hearing secularists say is that no one has a right to be offended about their beliefs. Trying to enforce their own belief system upon the whole population. They seriously want this made law. This to you would be like a religious group saying that you must obey their particular dogma. You are in fact being hypocritical.
Well, then, stop equating secularism with anti-religion. If you don't agree with with religious involvement in education and government, that makes you a secularist. Theists can be secularists too, so don't slander secularism when you really mean to attack the anti-religion movement.
And can you provide any reference to people trying to enforce not being offended into law?
Again, the way he uses the word "secular" everyone including atheists should be against. But that is not what the word means. It got demonized and twisted as meaning anti religion. All that was due to our right wing during the cold war.
Secular simply means neutrality in that government will not play favorites or set up religious pecking orders.
Sectarian is what Sunni Saudi Arabia is. Sectarian is what Shiite Iran is. And politically speaking North Korea is controlled by one political sect.
Secularism in the west is what Europe and America are. The protection of rights through common law where all laws apply equally and no monopolies of power should arise.