(January 16, 2015 at 8:21 pm)Napoléon Wrote:(January 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No one is putting any conditions on it. I'm certainly not proposing that. I doubt that the Pope is. I've heard his words quoted both ways. I think the fuller transcript is revealing.
"Cannot".
The quote, as I've heard differs slightly in Spanish (I think it was Spanish he was speaking) for this word.
Regardless, the people who use this threat of violence because someone might say something they find offensive, or challenging, is absolutely abhorrent in my eyes and goes against completely the idea of free speech.
Sure, you shouldn't be completely free from repurcussions for saying and upsetting people, but the people who are upset have no right to massacre those they disagree with. That's the bottom line. The very fact the pope is suggesting people should "expect a punch" is fucking disgusting.
It's been quoted plenty of times but it's still the most relevant thing I can think of in this discussion:
Quote:You are free to say what you want. If you insult a person then you have to expect repercussions. People are banned from these forums all of the time purely on the things that they have said. Are their freedoms compromised?
Well, we don't actually have freedom of speech on here, because this website is owned by Adrian. So, moot point.
I hate it when people bitch on privately owned media on pages or websites they don't own. If you get banned no one is stopping you from going to other pages where you are welcome, and or starting your own page.
Freedom of speech refers to government not having you arrested merely what you say. You are not entitled to an audience. You can compete for one yes, by doing the things I said before, but being banned isn't stopping anyone from going other places or starting their own pages.