(August 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:The beautiful part is that there's no market above. No matter what kind of skill you have, it's of no worth - everything is taken care by machines.(August 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm)pocaracas Wrote: They exist. Star Trek is one example. Replicator technology and dilithium crystals!Star trek was always at best a Dream like in it's vision of the future. If infact we can develop our robotics to the point where they can replace all slave labor, then in essence the robots become our slaves. and the current unskilled work force gets bumped up with nothing to do. except get retrained and flood the market above them and so on.
Like in your robots example, there will be lots of people with no need for work - all food will be pretty much inexpensive, all clothing, all manufacturing, all economics, all politics, all will be done by machines and will cost only the materials required to keep them running: power and parts. Even these may be gotten by the machines themselves, with surplus enough for human usage.
They'll be self healing, or able to repair themselves, or have other machines to repair most machines.
Everyone... well, almost everyone, will have no work left to do.
The concept of trading money for labor may become a bit outdated.
With food, power, clothing, home, will be provided by the machines, people do whatever they want - cook, paint, travel, study, plant their own stuff.
People are left with lives to live - fun to have - hobbies to do.
(August 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:... yes... being from Portugal, the P in PIGS... yes!Quote:You're from America, so I understand why you can't grasp the concept of not working and getting stuff... like what happens in a few social states.You mean like in Greece and Italy where lazy bums are paid to do nothing. seems to be working very well for them. The whole country of Greece has now become the lazy bum of the EU and demands to be paid for not working/producing.
Around here, unemployed people get a subsidy from the state to help them stay alive and able to find a new job.
Portugal
Italy
Greece
Spain
Get money to sit on your ass.
There used to be a subsidy for people who owned fields - good fields with good soil for planting stuff - that subsidy was given for a decade or more, for the express purpose of leaving the fields unplanted, uncared for, unproductive. Something to do with european quotas for production of certain agricultural products, I think. If a given country produces more than it should, that country must pay a fine to the EU... if that sounds nonsensical to you, is because it is! So, the country, in an effort not to pay any such fines, paid a subsidy to field owners so they wouldn't plant. It seems to make some economic sense, but small countries with small quotas, but large swaths of naturally productive land, waste money and land on such schemes, just so larger countries can keep their quotas and flood the market with crap.
A scheme clearly devised to keep PIGS as PIGS and make them even bigger PIGS, while the others keep growing and exporting goods... which are not so good anymore.
There used to be a time when "made in Germany" meant some damn good quality stuff... now, it's LIDL and ALDI cheap crap.
(August 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:The trick is to build them and develop them just enough to do their jobs.... and keep doing them indefinitely.Quote:In a situation where goods are inexpensive due to machine labor, state-side income is also low, so there's little money to go around... well, actually, the amount of money is the same... its worth is different.... its worthless. Money becomes useless.It depends on their level of consciencousness.
If you want to say that we are making slave machines, then.. yes, I agree. But aren't we just anthropomorphizing machines?
(August 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:What? gold?Quote:yeah... that's why they buy american foreign debt...They are buying American debt because it is backed by American gold. If we default they empty fort knox. There are a lot of rumors that on Obama's watch that is exactly what has happened.
Chinese communism isn't what it used to be 20 years ago.
Gold is no longer backing anything... it was because the monetary system is backed by nothing that we had the 2008 crash. And will keep having crashes, until politicians and economists reinstate the requirement that all economical goods be backed by material goods.
Or money looses value altogether because goods are inexpensive.
(August 19, 2015 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:If a return on investment is foreseeable, then it will be done.Only if the return exceeds available profits now and in the future. If China remain communist state then they will have no reason to leave.
Quote:I was looking a bit further in time, but yeah... you're right about the next decade... it doesn't look healthy for most humanity.If we can't make it the next 10 years then 'time' become irrelevant.
We'll see what comes out of that hole... Until then, business as usual.