(January 28, 2016 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote:(January 27, 2016 at 2:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Not all Germans were nasty you know, some of them had a conscience and opposed the Nazis many coming to a sticky end. But many people did rather evil things because their own morality was circumvented by strong motivators like nationalism, politics and religion. The army had also had to make an oath to Adolf Hitler which people took seriously back then.
Quote:But my point and question is... (the point) The Germans of Nazi Germany did not see themselves as evil (the vast majority) Because their pop morality told them what they were doing was right! They could not challenge this because they had removed all absolutes of God and repplaced them with state written propaganda (and they used science just like we do) to justify their efforts and changes. Their only measure of right and wrong/their morality was corrupt by the state. so what ever the state said was always right and what it said was wrong was always wrong.. Again much like where we are now.
You know what I'm pretty sure that a lot of people back then and now believe that killing jews is moral. There is a name for these people. Muslims and Christians. But most of the secular world look/looked at genocide and say it's a bad thing. But your right morality moves around.
So what?
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So how then do we know in this soceity who like Nazi German has separated the state from God, have not made an 'evil' left turn like the nazi's did? Is it because your 'morality' says you are a good person? If so, I point back to the germans of Hitler's germany... They too thought they were all good people. and what they were doing was right, because they like us have nothing absolute to judge our pop morality by.
Empathy can be circumvented by demonising people. I don't think of any group of humans as less than human which is what happened in Nazi Germany. So I can see that this has not happened to me.
Quote:So then I ask again, what would stop you from following the path of the people of Nazi germany if pop morality made a hard left into evil?
Empathy.
Quote:What makes you think we haven't long ago made that turn, and their just hasn't been an 'allied force' to stop us?
My Empathy.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.