(February 9, 2016 at 9:47 am)ChadWooters Wrote:(February 7, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Your first error is in thinking that there is a god and you personally understand his will. Your second error is in thinking that a being who would create the system you describe is worthy of worship. Your third error is in thinking that the fact moral consensus changes over time makes it valueless. Your fourth error is in thinking atheists don't believe in god for the purpose of avoiding god's stricter later.
Quote:I agree that the fourth is speculation although I do think it applies to most atheists even if only as a contributing factor.
I have zero belief in god.
Never had, I also do not believe in fairies or pixies so why would I have any part of my thought process given over to avoiding later punishment from a being who is as likely to exist as a purple elephant oribitting the just outside the realm of pluto.
I find the claim that we do not believe because we don't we are fearful or sinful to be quite condescending. I do not believe because I can't. And I can't because it is silly.
Quote:The third has more to do with epistemology. First people must agree that something is before determining what it is.
Indeed, and you could turn this to god, which is something I have never had a god description of. despite asking for one many many times.
Quote: Either there is universally applicable moral standards or not. Consensus morality is no morality at all.
All there is is consensus morality and empathy, that is all.
Quote: But the first two are are not errors, just wishful thinking and rationalization on your part.
They seemed perfectly reasonable to me, there has never been a good explanation of god. if you understood god you could explain it so that I could comprehend and yet I remain completely in the dark as to this god character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTrzUuWlHI
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.