pop morality

[Drich]

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We use Ask Seek Knock everyday of our lives. The parable from which this principle is first taught shows how we use this method in obtaining trivial things. Because the only thing required is the humility needed to see one's self in need.

I understand what you are trying to say, in that you want to try and filter everything through a 'science' filter. Let me ask you, would you 'filter' turn by turn direction through the scientific method or what if someone gave you a treasure map, and they showed you what they were able to bring back from following the map themselves? again would you try and filter the map through 'science' to first validate it? or would you simply follow the directions to find out if it was correct?

A/S/K are directions not a theory that can be tested by the scientific method.

I don't actually try to filter every daily decision through the scientific method.  Common sense, critcal thinking, and experience are enough for most every day decisions.  I don't ask for a peer reviewed study before crossing a bridge or eating a piece of meat.  No one does.   I rely on common sense. Most bridges stay up the vast majority of the time.  Very little contaminated meat is sold in this county.  

Other questions don't merit the time and effort to solve them.  The brand of deodorant I use is reasonably priced and works.  The may be a better working, better priced alternative,  but finding it isn't worth my time.

A/S/K is not a method I use.  Your treasure map analogy is silly.

What's silly is your selective blindness. I also gave the example of turn by turn directions. Ever use the GPS feature on your phone? Ever been taken somewhere other than your intended destination by the GPS? Are aware that it happens? What was/would be your response if you put in an unfamiliar address, and where the GPS lead you, was not where you wanted to be?

Would you just sit there and wait for something to happen, or would you maybe Ask, someone for Help/Directions, what if their was no one around, again would you just sit there waiting for someone to come along or would you seek someone out who could help you? what if they could not help? would you give up and go home or would you Seek someone else out???

Oh! Snap!! don't look now but here you go A/S/K-ing/doing something you Never do, and not to mention if the GPS takes you to your destination right off or the second set of instruction gets you to your final destination, You still didn't use the scientific method to vet your path, you simply followed directions. Directions like the ones found in Luke 11 (which has been my argument from the beginning that makes the whole first 1/2 of you above quote moot, as you agree with me.)

 If someone gave me a treasure map it would be a novel experience. Has anyone ever given you or anyone you know a treasure map?  It's very oddness would suggest further investigation was needed.  I'd have to ask if they'd already brought back all of the treasure,  and if not, why they were telling me instead of getting all of it themselves.  

You guys are so narrow minded it is like trying to speak to autistic children. If a word as imprinted you with a singular meaning, or Lord help us if you can visualize or manifest only one definition to a word because you have only seen it used in a movie or book only the one way, it's like you have been given permission to go full retard defending your narrow definition. Your minds lock onto your one singular aspect, and you ignore any deeper meaning, because you think you have a complete understanding of that word, and mock those who do not follow your narrow minded definition. What's worse you all don't seem to understand mocking me, for the simplicity of an illustration does not help you. It makes you look like a moron when I take that very simple illustration you have mocked and give you a much deeper meaning than what you yourself was able to derive. What's even worse for you is I am able to take said illustration's simple meaning and show you how it is indeed been already applied into your life.

For instance, the first thing we must address is the full on retard definition of a treasure map and break it down and actually describe what a treasure map is in up dated terms because it is very apparent your mind will not allow you the flexibility to use all the different clues or illustrations I originally presented in my initial argument to give yourself an accurate picture of what is being discussed.

So the very first thing a treasure map is.. is obviously a map. A map detailing the surroundings of a end goal or reward. The next thing a treasure map does is give you a common or easily accessible start point. One that is easy to find, and quickly relateable. then It gives Turn by Turn instructions Instructions to help one find their end goal or Reward.

In essence a treasure map is nothing more than a simple set of instructions giving one a place to start, turn by turn instructions, it can also include landmarks or mile markers to help you see that you are making progress in the right direction with an ultimate reward or sought after pay out at the end.

From that general description here are some examples of what a modern treasure map may look like:
A retirement plan, A career plan or path, Or as I said in my Last post Turn by Turn instructions from a GPS, or in the case of salvation A/S/K. Why didn't/couldn't you see these things as treasure maps? Because you only visualize Pirate treasure as being 'treasure.' when in fact there are 1/2 a dozen meanings to that word treasure. Only one or two agree with what you identify/Have locked onto and ignored all else. This is why/how common sense fails people like you. You lock on to a singular understanding of something and take your base understanding as the only way a given subject can be viewed and when someone trys to show you a different angle it violates what you feel is common sense.

And unlike someone who can show me the treasure they brought back, you can't  show me god, or even any credible evidence that you found him. Or given your description of him, that he'd be a treasure if I found him. 

Again miss narrow mind it completely depends on the 'treasure' found. Pirate treasure can be held, but what if your treasure is Love? Can you hold love? can someone else truly examine what you feel? Again treasure does not have to be tangible.

I do follow directions, particularly if they appear safe and it's easy to see if they work. Just recently, I learned to make Turkish coffee by googling it.  But, I've drunk Turkish coffee before,  and whether the directions worked was easy to ascertain.   It did, by the way, and we've been having it about every third morning ever since. It makes for a luxurious quarter hour before my sweetie heads off to work.  I follow much more onerous directions if I see real need and results.  Our retirement account is an example of such results. 

SMH...
So you are willing to follow complex and burdensome instructions for coffee, and turn your nose at Ask, Seek, Knock for the Holy Spirit.. Something I Have Conclusively shown you have done in your life, so much so you are oblivious to it as it is second nature.

Given the total disdain Christ had for the Hypocrites of the temple for "Trying to remove the speck out of someone else eye while having a plank of wood sticking out of their own" If and or when you stand in judgement before Him how will you possible explain this? That burdensome coffee was worth the effort, yet you applying a second nature method to finding God was too much?

But there are directions my common sense and natural  skepticism tell me are dangerous to follow.  Like your hypothetical treasure map, they are often get rich with little or no effort  schemes.  Or like crystals to adjust my aura,  or your god scheme,  the results are not quantifiable.  If someone adds, that it won't work unless you really want  it to,  all the skeptic buzzers go off. 

wow what presumption.. In order for your 'common sense' to be accurate you must boast knowledge over the defining principles over each of those 'schemes.' If you don't have knowledge or mastery over those principles and yet insist they are invalid or Valid you are not using common sense to make your determination.

You are well wishing, you are fooling yourself into thinking one thing or another, based on what everyone else thinks. This make you a lemming. Do you know what lemmings are?

And before you go off on some ridiculous tangent about needing to want to do something like, playing the piano, quiting smoking or, exercising more, let me note that that has to do with putting in the effort to follow the directions and not if the directions describe anything real. I've taught myself to paint. And yes had to want to learn and practice.  But the results are demonastratable. People can demonstrate piano playing, lack of smoking, exercise, and painting,  see below.  Your god, like my aura remains undemonstrable.  

..So what in your mind makes you think God or rather the Spiritual gifts are not demonstrable? Granted they are focused on the individual, but never the less none less real. Let's say for a moment you were never good in school. matter of fact you could not read. Yet some how years later you found God (still could not read) then after a period of A/S/K-ing God turns on a switch and with in a few short years you go from being nearly illiterate to being given the keys to wisdom so far beyond your scope it literally scares you. That All of your questions about God are answered, not only that you can answer everyone elses. questions and can over turn their objections. On things like evolution verses creation, the Ark, The exodus, a whole pantheon of supposed logical fallacies, and on and on and on. With absolutly no outside influences or formal training.

Then lets say you body circumes to several "death sentence diseases.' AIDS, Cancer, Burst Appendix etc... With no medical treatment what so ever you recover each and every time.

Next let pile on a field trip to Hell. where you get to experience your final judgement, and the fire of hell and what it really means to 'gnash your teeth.'

After that God drops 25K in the way of a loan from a perfect stranger you met in passing once. To start your own business, then you do nothing but your simple job, and you watch it explode around you, and now you not only do commerce on a national scale but an international one as well. after that God puts you and your business in building/location so far out of your scope (best part of town with greater curb appeal and equipment than all of your competitors for less than what anyone else would pay for 1/4 of the space in the wrong part of town.) And On and On Including patents, trucks equipment just anything and everything we could ever need, just when we need it in just the right amount.

Keeping in mind you know who you really are, and are just literally on a ride you have been put on. Not because you deserve or earned anything, but because God saw fit to give it to you.

Again. None of these things God did for me was meant to be proof for you, or really anyone close to me. They were meant for me and me alone. This is my treasure/Love. I experienced all of this and know all of it to be real. the thing is. A/S/K was not directed just at me, but an open invitation to all. Everyone was invited to experience their own version of what I experienced. What God has planned for each of us is meant to mean little to nothing to anyone else, but to us personally it will create and maintain an unbreakable bond.

Frankly, the aura, and god are of a muchness. And while they factually contradict one another both, as well as the truth of the Koran or the Book of Mormon, can be found the same way.  A/S/K is an invitation to invent your own facts,  not a method for finding the truth.  And once they have found such stuff, I don't  see people's lives improving,  but I do see them ignoring or avoiding verifiable facts,  such as the absence of evidence for a world wide flood, which would exist, had it happened. 

Humbleness consists of questioning what you can do and know, not in thinking about superior being loves you and that you know all about that being. 

but that's the thing all of you seem to always get wrong. A/S/K is unique to Christianity. All other religions has their deity funnel instruction through prophets or at the very least priests. In biblical Christianity God wants to deal directly with you/no middle man. Their is a vast difference between hearing the words of a prophet and dealing directly with God the Holy Spirit yourself.