(November 14, 2017 at 10:36 am)possibletarian Wrote:(November 14, 2017 at 3:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: You've gotten lazy or you out of arguments, this is a dodge.
You got me, it is lazy and also a dodge, I can only reply to so many threats of judgement and drivel in a day
Could be that God is calling out to you and if you're to actually become a Christian in the way you believe you will no matter how much you fight it.
Quote:Now you're being ridiculous, the Bible was written long before you were born, so it's you that's at odds with the Bible and the God who gave it to us. God hasn't tried to make His desires come fruition, His ultimate will is another thing entirely. Answer me this would you want God to force you to be a part of His Kingdom?
possibletarian Wrote:How would the bible being written long before i was born make any difference, so was the Koran, and many religious writings you can't claim any truth on when it was written. If you say god hasn't tried to make his desires come to fruition, and he wants all men to be saved are you now saying he's not really interested in all men being saved, if he is, why not simply reveal himself, he could easily do that without interfering with free will as you put it. ?
Don't be ridiculous, I told you it was God's desire not His will that all would be saved. If God were to reveal Himself before man you would have no choice but to believe, the effect upon you would be the same as it was on Moses.
possibletarian Wrote:His ultimate will must be that many go to hell as well as some saved, otherwise what's the point in his 'ultimate will' if it does not match his desires and wishes? And would I want god to force me into his kingdom, absolutely not but to send many to hell and that be his ultimate goal is also stupid, no i wouldn't want to be with such a puny petty god.
Why do you say the bold by me? My ultimate will for my woodworking projects do not necessarily match my desire for a piece, why would you expect God to be different. Your desire is God's will and if you continue you will have chosen your own special hell. God doesn't choose your destination, He does enforce your choice, so if you do not change you should be preparing yourself for a life eternal of torment, a torment worse that an everlasting fire. Gods not so puny as you say, He will make sure you have your choice and that you will not be able to change if you continue down this path of destruction.
Quote:Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.
possibletarian Wrote:Oh but i would believe if you could prove it, but simply you cannot or at least so far have not. All you have done is quoted the bible, bible this bible that.
Interesting finish to your above sentence, seems to me you're at a loss for words or an argument against the Bible. Of coarse I can't prove everything, if you thought that was a possibility you wouldn't have made the statement you did. Faith comes first to those who do not know God, later God gives His children of inheritance knowledge the truth of scriptures, I have a knowledge you can't understand. How do I know this, you can't understand the simplest things of scripture.
Quote:Those who are so closed minded have no reason to accept what truths have been presented to them.
possibletarian Wrote:Excellent so prove them, then they will be real truths, rather than purly faith based truths.
Your answer is in my above statement.
Quote:God doesn't require I give proof of anything,
possibletarian Wrote:Convenient that isn't it
There is a sensible answer about this very thing, God knows that man can't make a heart change in non believers so He is the One who will bring the proof to those who desire Him to change them. Simple really, for a bunch that's suppose to be so logical you all sure suspend it when it come to your eternal life, sad really.
Quote:He asked me to tell others why I believe and I have done so, the rest is on you and God will remind you of this at judgement if you do not change.
possibletarian Wrote:There is no god to remind me at judgement. or at least not one you have provided a smidgen of evidence for.
God says that only a fool will say there is no God, you have a label given to you by your creator, you still have a chance to change that or you can carry it into eternity and the worse hell that you can't even begin to imagine, forget the fire it will be much worse.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.