(November 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(November 7, 2017 at 6:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I'm going to try and explain this again but it is getting old. God did not create Adam and Eve to sin. God created a perfect world and we know that they lived in the Garden for some amount of time by other scriptures. They chose to sin and corrupt the creation and yes God knew this would happen because He was there when it happened even before He created this world...

Regarding the highlight. Why would god proceed with this experiment when, as you correctly point out, he knew the end result would be a three pronged clusterfuck.
Would you place your hand on an anvil and hit it with a sledge hammer just to find out what would happen? Of course not, but this retard god of yours did exactly that with the Adam and Eve thing.

(November 7, 2017 at 10:40 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(November 7, 2017 at 6:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Just because atheist say it's a moot point for them doesn't mean it's a moot point, at best it means you have no interest. That then brings up the question of why are you asking questions of Christians?

Well of course it's moot, when an atheist ask a Christian a question about their particular god, it's always in the hypothetical, so for the atheist it's always a hypothetical answer. Unfortunately the bible does not qualify as either truth or a rational answer.

Quote:The Bible contradicts your assessment of God. God says He desires that no man suffer eternal punishment. God created a perfect world and man corrupted it, the perfect world was God's will the corruption was man's will which God allowed to prove love will overcome the most hideous sin.
I have sufficiently answered that question, it's your fault that you do not accept it. 

possibletarian Wrote:Of course the bible contradicts an atheists non belief in god, I would have thought this to be obvious, but that does not answer my question at all.
Clearly your god is incapable of matching his wishes to a creation.

Quote:Some Christians may use it to explain what they have yet to understand, I use it when it's not something revealed of God and in that case it is an appropriate answer. I have answered all your questions because you have asked none that I wasn't able to answer.

possibletarian Wrote:Yes but not every answer is appropriate meaningful, if you want to be understood you have to fulfil both conditions, I believe that you believe you have given a good answer if that helps.

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that is the love God has for the lost. You might call that illogical, I say it's completely logical because I know part of God's plan.

Again I study the Bible, I'm not like you who goes around spouting what you want to be true.


I've answer all your questions so I have no idea what you are speaking of. Just like you do not want to accept my answers to some of your questions you do not accept the truth of the scriptures and your non-acceptance in no way negates my answers nor the scriptures.

You're not interested in why I believe, if you were you would ask relevant questions instead of criticizing what Christians write. You don't listen you're here to jabber your jaw like the rest of the atheist here.

No you're not or you wouldn't have referred to some pig. The creation story is valid to many of millions around the world, yet you believe everyone shouldn't find it believable just because you can't. That's not the fault of Christians that fault belongs to you and your lack of faith. I have never done as you say mental gymnastics I do not have to I search for the truth, finding that there are no contradictions in the scriptures and that everything fits well together.

You have the same problem all non believers have, you want to believe what you want out of the Bible instead of believing what the Bible says and then searching to find that what it says is true.

The problem with all the other religions, they have no god. God has said there are no other gods, I am the only real God. Would you please state what question you've asked that hasn't been answered and I'll answer it, but if it's the one i'm thinking of I've already answered it.

I said we can't know it all, you are a typical atheist who has no idea what you are talking about.


You think you are smart and logical but you show Christians what you do not know and that is a tremendous amount.

No you just thought you were a Christian, if you had truly believed in who Christ is you wouldn't change your mind. God has said that those who believe they have the light without me actually have the darkness as their companion.

You've yet to ask a relevant question and you seem to be enjoying making fun of God, beware.



I was referring to questions after your original post, I did find your original posted question relevant, it's why I answered it.
You have not found me using any mental gymnastics and you never will. Just because you can't accept God doesn't mean He is not real, what you state is an opinion and nothing more.
I'm no threat to you and do not pretend to be however God is far different and has the power and right to punish even on this earth.

You are using God's omnis like you accuse Christians of using Isaiah 55:8-9. You can't understand God so you use your interpretation of God based on God's omnis, that is a double standard.

God put them out of the Garden of Eden, for a sin and sin brought the death God told them that would come upon them if they disobeyed. They understood exactly what God had told them that's why they were hiding like children when they do what they know is wrong. Do you even know one of the other reasons God put them out of the Garden?

I'm going to try and explain this again but it is getting old. God did not create Adam and Eve to sin. God created a perfect world and we know that they lived in the Garden for some amount of time by other scriptures. They chose to sin and corrupt the creation and yes God knew this would happen because He was there when it happened even before He created this world. That's why God is eternal. God wanted a relationship with men all down through the ages and to give His love to all men, this was His plan. There was no different scenario, it wouldn't matter who the first man or woman was, the result would have been the same. You as all the other atheist want to believe there could have many different outcomes, no there couldn't have been. God created all the universe and allows it to go on down the only path it would have taken. Hey you do not know but God does, some day you may change your mind and actually come to know Christ as your savior, the choice will be all your's.

God has never been caught by surprise, He can't He is eternal. I've just explained above why the creation went on.

You keep saying the same thing and you have received answers yet you will not listen,

No, you are waiting for only the answer you have already assumed, sorry but I'm giving you the truth and the truth is something that can't be change because it has already been established.


you continue to ignore what is being said. Let me put it to you this way, it's God's plan not yours,

It's been my experience with atheist that they ask questions to get answers to make fun of, few have any interest in what's said nor the truth behind it. I take very little of what atheist say seriously, I've been here long enough to have learned what most are looking for from Christians.

He is eternal and you can't seem to understand what it means that God is eternal. He is the only being who will ever be eternal.

I do not believe you have any idea what eternal is, please give me an explanation of eternal, not a definition.

People are not innocent because you say so, so you need to forget this,

God says all are guilty of sin and deserve to die. The offenses (sins) are against the Holy and Righteous God who created all things and in that a payment is due, unless you come to know Christ for who He is.

You are spiritually dead, there's no chance for you to hear the angels of heaven singing. The other angels have nothing to sing about they are already condemned and have no hope of reconciliation. Since you are making a positive claim about Christ you need to show proof of your claim. 

God has never be dependent on anything nor anyone, He was living an eternity before creation without anyone else anywhere. We know this from the Bible, you would too if you would just read it instead of spouting what you hear others saying.

This is where you show your lack of biblical knowledge and you should at least become familiar with the basics before trying to argue against God and His word.

From now own I expect reasonable questions from the scriptures and not this run around junk you keep throwing out.

God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit are all the same God revealed in three persons, yes it's possible for God.

I know for a fact what I posted above is true, if you do not change you will find out at your death what I already know, by then for you it will be to late.

The angels were created during the creation week, when we do not know but Bible study reveals this to us.

God said before creation there was no one but Him and that He was complete in Himself, in other words He needed no one else. If you want to know where you need to do some Bible study, I'm not here to do your homework for you.

God didn't need any companionship He was totally satisfied with who He is and would have enjoyed eternity without us or the angels. God did not create fallible man, God created the perfect man and woman all others have been conceived through man and woman, it is part of God's plan. I'm not even sure how you got to God needing companionship. Man was created for God to love and to love God, for a relationship with Him so we could know and enjoy the wonders of God.

The purpose is for those who will accept Him as savior and lord. Everyone who has heard of Christ has a chance to make that decision. Just because God knew what everyone would decide doesn't in any way mean He manipulated anyone's choice.
 
The Bible says they were perfect, it says the entire creation was perfect. God doesn't lie actually God can't lie. How many times do you need the same answer to the same question, I believe I stated why quite plainly.

God is the most wonderful being, holy, perfect, righteous and trustworthy to name a few things.  As I explained earlier God desires no one to parish, and in that He didn't plan for anyone to perish. Those who perish will have chosen their own fate. Why is it that I have to repeat all this again and again, what I'm saying want change it's truth from God.

I was speaking of personal suffering. God doesn't promise Christians that life will go smooth for us, we will suffer through those things you mentioned, the difference is that God will be with Christians to bring them peace, understanding and help.

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possibletarian Wrote:I lumped them in one to save others scrolling down the whole list.

possibletarain Wrote:Lets put the cries of god's vengeance and wrath, and my failing to understand anything i or you say to one side a moment, I will accept all your answers if you can prove them to be true, how's that for a deal

(November 14, 2017 at 3:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: You've gotten lazy or you out of arguments, this is a dodge.

Quote:Now you're being ridiculous, the Bible was written long before you were born, so it's you that's at odds with the Bible and the God who gave it to us. God hasn't tried to make His desires come fruition, His ultimate will is another thing entirely. Answer me this would you want God to force you to be a part of His Kingdom?

Quote:Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.

Quote:Those who are so closed minded have no reason to accept what truths have been presented to them.

Quote:God doesn't require I give proof of anything,

Quote:He asked me to tell others why I believe and I have do so, the rest is on you and God will remind you of this at judgement if you do not change.

(November 8, 2017 at 2:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 1:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You think slavery is moral? Owning others as property is moral? The bible says so. What do you say?

I think involuntary slavery is immoral. The Bible does not say that slavery is moral.

(November 14, 2017 at 4:49 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Hey Godscreated you base your worldview on the Bible and therefore believe that universe and earth were created in 6 days and that sciences like geology, biology, physics and so on are all hoaxes. So do you also believe that Earth is flat as Bible describes it in Genesis?

(November 14, 2017 at 3:38 am)Godscreated Wrote: [quote='Succubus' pid='1653509' dateline='1510168738']

Regarding the highlight. Why would god proceed with this experiment when, as you correctly point out, he knew the end result would be a three pronged clusterfuck.
Would you place your hand on an anvil and hit it with a sledge hammer just to find out what would happen? Of course not, but this retard god of yours did exactly that with the Adam and Eve thing.

(November 14, 2017 at 10:45 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 2:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: I think involuntary slavery is immoral. The Bible does not say that slavery is moral.

The bible says exactly that involuntary slavery is moral. God even commands it and provides instruction for how it should be performed.

(November 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: The word "slavery" implies that it is involuntary.  One common dodge is to equivocate slavery with contracted service.  However, in the Bible these servants are often beaten.  There are also rules regarding how beating a servant to death should or should not be punished, and preventing a servant with a family from gaining freedom if he has a family (he can go, but they have to stay).

Looks like involuntary all the way down.

(November 14, 2017 at 11:32 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 4:49 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Hey Godscreated you base your worldview on the Bible and therefore believe that universe and earth were created in 6 days and that sciences like geology, biology, physics and so on are all hoaxes. So do you also believe that Earth is flat as Bible describes it in Genesis?

It never ceases to amaze me how Christianity in particular has changed on this subject even within my own lifetime.  Many more now accept some kind of intelligent design, or even evolution wholesale and seem to do so without a thought to original sin, what was fact for them yesterday becomes the allegory of today, to the point where it makes the bible ridiculous when viewed as being inspired by a god.

(November 14, 2017 at 1:13 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 11:32 am)possibletarian Wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how Christianity in particular has changed on this subject even within my own lifetime.  Many more now accept some kind of intelligent design, or even evolution wholesale and seem to do so without a thought to original sin, what was fact for them yesterday becomes the allegory of today, to the point where it makes the bible ridiculous when viewed as being inspired by a god.

I just find it strange that GC would not believe that Earth is flat considering that he already thinks that scientists are so wrong and that there is conspiracy of truly epic proportions of people telling us that world and the universe are billions of years old by fabricating evidences and what not, so it would be strange of him not to think that Bible was "right" even on that account. Indeed there are lots of Christians out there and Christians denominations that believe Earth is flat and that round Earth is pagan (read satanic) worldview perpetuated by Jews and Vatican. Because you can believe in anything if you distort scientific facts, lie to yourself and never educate yourself.

This is a description of one of the more popular books on so called zetetic astronomy called "The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe":

This book reveals the mother of all conspiracies. It sets forth biblical proof and irrefutable evidence that will cause the scales to fall from your eyes and reveal that the world you thought existed is a myth. The most universally accepted scientific belief today is that the earth is a globe, spinning on its axis at a speed of approximately 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, while at the same time it is orbiting the sun at approximately 67,000 miles per hour. All of this is happening as the sun, in turn, is supposed to be hurtling though the Milky Way galaxy at approximately 500,000 miles per hour. The Milky Way galaxy, itself, is alleged to be racing through space at a speed ranging from 300,000 to 1,340,000 miles per hour. What most people are not told is that the purported spinning, orbiting, and speeding through space has never been proven. In fact, every scientific experiment that has ever been performed to determine the motion of the earth has proven that the earth is stationary. Yet, textbooks ignore the scientific proof that contradicts the myth of a spinning and orbiting globe. Christian schools have been hoodwinked into teaching heliocentrism, despite the clear teaching in the bible that the earth is not a sphere and does not move. This book reveals the evil forces behind the heliocentric deception, and why scientists and the Christian churches have gone along with it.

Does this not sound pretty much like GC?