(November 17, 2017 at 1:31 pm)alpha male Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 1:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, taking responsibility would involve not sending people to hell as punishment for something they didn't have control over - being created as is.
First, I don't know about you, but I have a conscience, and I knowingly violate it at times. So, I disagree regarding control.
Second, people don't have to go to hell. Again, if people reject salvation, that's their choice.
If the being who wields all the power and makes all the decisions regarding existence and creation knows what you're going to do before you do it, and goes ahead with creating you as is anyway, then no; you have no control in any meaningful sense of the word. Your fate was decided for you before you were even a sparkle in your mother's eye. To be all/powerful, and all-knowing is to have total control.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
