Evangelicals, Trump and a Quick Bible Study

[Drich]

See i knew you wanted to play!

Abortion isn't murder and a fetus isn't a being where the social contract would apply. Your own Bible says as much, though I defer to science. 

again new testament new law.

So are you saying the OT got it wrong? Was that not also penned under the influence of Yahweh? Or did Yahweh change his mind? And please cite for me in the NT where it now says "life begins at conception". 

that does not follow.. does abortion only happen at conception? in west virginia abortion can happen after birth. why would it need to focus on life beginning at conception when you monsters are killing babies after they leave the womb? show me where a completely viable/ can live outside the mother is not considered murder. in fact I can look up the statute but if a woman is carring a baby she intends on keeping and it has a heart beat it is considered murder if someone where to kill that baby. so again show me where killing a fully developed baby is not murder as i have demonstrated it is a abortion practice.

Same question as before. Are you saying the OT is wrong? 

not for OT jews. Christians are not Ot jews. even jews today are not OT jews nor do they nor can they live by the law you are too foolish to not apply to people in a completely different religion.

So the OT is wrong then?

not for ot jews. NT christian live by the law in it's completed form. which boils down to 2 laws. so no need to itemize.

sanctified marriage is the key.

Show me chapter and verse where it says "one man and one woman"

are you lying to yourself and me or too stupid to make the distinction i made fit your understanding? sanctified does not mean one man one woman intellectually dishonest paladin.. it means man and woman, numbers of man and women can vary. in the ot it was ok to take on as many wives as yo could afford. in the nt paul limited this to one man and one woman in 1 cor 7. as the discussion of justifying homosexuality comes down to sanctification defined as man and woman not numbers of husbands to wives is unimportant, as the different sexes are being highlighted. which again is narrowed down to one man and one woman in nt times. either way this still excludes any type of homosexual relationship as same sex partners can not find a sanctified example of same sex marriage. your argument is over sport. don't make me drag you through the mud. if you have questions ask them nicely.

1/2 truth= whole liar. man and woman appears in the bible as being the only case for a marriage god approves.

But not ONE man and ONE woman. Dance around that point all you like. 

apples and oranges/misdirection/red herring. because the subject matter is homosexual marriage, not number of spouses. to which despite the number of women david was married to at one time the only relevant point to this discussion of gay marriage is all his partners were born female.. Hence sanctified marriage.

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Is there some part of the word "ONE" that you find confusing? 

because he could not afford your morality, because he could not risk survival of his whole clan on stupid principles people who live so disconnected from the way he lived they can not even imagine a time where his choices were for the good of the species...

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Sounds like you're making feeble excuses.

sound to me like you are not prepared to deal with the reality of life in the bronze age. that you can't fathom a time where the survival of the species was in question. a time where man bearly is rising above the rest of the animal kingdom.

The ancient Greeks managed to practice monogamy at the same time in history.

no they didn't you off about 1000 years, not to mention the greeks settled into city states while the jews were more or less nomadic. Egypt was the primary super power when Gods people took on more than one wife.

Poverty and infant mortality didn't magically go away by the time Jesus arrived on the scene.

no one in jesus time took on more than one wife. again paul in 1 cor 7 limits the church to one man one woman, you are arguing if your assumption was correct. i showed you where it is not.

And if monogamy was so important to Yahweh, he could have created better conditions in the first place. He is responsible for the environment, after all, given how he made it. 

monogamy is possible if a man is married to several women. all he need do is keep sex with in the confines of a sanctified marriage. which again is limited to one man and one woman in the new testament. one man several women for the wealthy.

i think you need to pull the B/S out of your own eye/what is keeping you from seeing the obvious truth, before you worry about the evangelicals.

do yourself a favor don't think.. because you are way wrong and all your assumptions are based on bad or incomplete information. you need to restudy this era as you don't even have the right time period which obliterates your credibility here. look to absorb and learn before you make judgements.
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The obvious truth is that we live in a natural world governed by predictable laws best understood through science and reason. As for your Bible, I read what's on the page.
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but you do not use common sense to segregate the two religions represented in the text. this gives you a false understand of both religions. then you run off half cocked to a straw man fight you create for your own victory.

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[quote='Drich' pid='1998953' dateline='1600285937']
Dude you know as well as anyone here i can be very respectful and i work hard to provide you with the information you all pretend to seek. it's the atheist pride and demand to be on top.. that i help cut back with a good dose of humility. 

Drich, this is going to be hard for you to hear - but I gaurantee you that no one here thinks that you can be respectful or work hard, or provide anyone with any information that anyone is seeking.

None of that is in you.  That's not what you're here for.
[/quote] what is really going to be a blow to your ego is what some of you do on line in public forum is often a persona constructed to the benefit of other atheist.. i have had more than one of you pm and or email me questions, asking for advise and or spiritual guidance on family and personal matters. i have even been put in contact with other family members who are have a spiritual crisis of faith. not to mention people here had me help them sort out their own spiritual issues. why else would i keep coming back if no one ever seem to benefit from me being here? get one of your mod buddies to check my pms there is a huge list of people even those who you would never once ask me anything on the side.

your fate is between you and god. don't assume one way or the other as there is not a set bar rather you honestly working the best with what you had. this might not translate into riches/good job in heaven, but it doesn't automatically mean hell either.

2-3 times a month.. kicked in teeth is better than hell. "If your hand causes you to sin cut it off as it is better to enter into the kingdom with one hand than it is to enter hell whole." but seriously.. i say that to help you all to manage your pride.. most of you find it hard to do a victory lap when i take the bite out of your arguments.
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More like between god and god.  I don't get to tell a god what to do with it's broken human vessels.  I think that it would be better if you didn't imagine other people going to hell, or kicking their teeth in. 

Did christianity do this to you?  What...exactly, do you think my argument is...?  I only have the one, this should be easy.

i shared this before.. i experienced hell https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html my biggest take away was the torture of what if.. what if i only knew the truth, because i like many of you back then had my own idea my own christianity narrative which was heavily full of conjecture and out right bs.. which made me hate god. when sent to hell as bad as the initial shock was the idea of an eternity in hell with the question "what if i only knew the truth" was going to destroy me and my sanity. again i was ok with the call as i knew what i had done deserved hell but the what if i knew would i have done those things is what made the experience unbearable. so for those who have no intention of salvation, my gift to you is to remove the what if.. that way you can accept your fate repent and move on to oblivion/the second death..

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[quote='Drich' pid='1998953' dateline='1600285937']
noice.. if your going to be a lazy poc the so can i.. here is that same list answered : https://biblestrength.org/Infidels meaning this group show how donalds list are nothing but 1/2 truths and intentional misrepresentations based on poor translation. so now that that list is out of the way do you have something else?

Why should I entertain your sophistry?

I guess you only googled an analog of the string "response to Donald Morgan's compiled list of Bible contradictions" and without reviewing its very lacking explanation of those Bible contradictions, and without reviewing or even opening what the article on biblestrength.org said, you just copy+pasted it. I'm not surprised that you didn't quote a much stronger apologia from https://answersingenesis.org/contradicti...the-bible/ except they use the same ad hoc rationalizations present in biblestrength.org. But how could you, I'm convinced you didn't read what you linked. I also know why ... ask me how I know ...

You see, @Drich, I'm convinced you do not care what the evidence is for your position, that is merely circumstantial. You have a conviction, and work backwards in an attempt to support whatever faith you have to support that conviction. Be it lies, situational awareness imparted by that conviction (such as using an emotive basis behind your correlation (e.g. your masturbation about Nazis being atheistic)), or just simply force and threat of violence/damnation, you do not care what the evidence says. You can't. Your faith prohibits you from to the possibility for change, to doubt.
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look smoothie https://biblestrength.org/Infidels shows me a list "jim merrit's list" which looks to be 50 pages long.. if you like ill copy and paste it for you. the whole point of me copy and pasting and not looking was because you made a similar effort. as there is no way you researched personally every one of the claims on your website. now because you took the half assed way out and let a website do the thinking for you i demonstrated how one only need answer someone like you. your a half asser.. you put in no effort. if i were to put in a 100% effort you would just bail. so why waste my time when you yourself could not even be bothered to go through your list and pick a few out that made sense to you? you did an info dump and ran. why is any more expected from me?