RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
November 11, 2020 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2020 at 3:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 11, 2020 at 3:00 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: God gave us all consciences. We know evil, or at least there are certain things that are obviously evil, when we see them.OFC. If I know that something is evil and I choose it, I'm responsible. We see two distinct moral signifiers that convince us both that we are responsible here. I knew, and I chose. Let's explore that.
Did you realize, when you did evil things in the past, that you were doing evil things, yet you did them anyway? Does that not, in itself, make you responsible?
If properly recognizing good from evil were good, then I would be incapable. I couldn't know if knowing were good. Can I choose? No, I'm incapable of good.
This is why I asked you if you were concerned about the issues that our lack of present free will would cause. We're missing things that we normally refer to in order to establish, ascertain, assign, blame, or otherwise declare desert.
In the absence of those things, how do we do that? How do you? Is this an accurate representation of your experience...?. Do you find yourself cognizant of the difference between good and evil, in a fair way, incapable of good?
Quote:Who cares that God didn't give you the option? You still did it. And again, as I said, God takes that into account, because His intention is to teach, not to be a sadist.Who cares about god, full stop. How can I express moral outrage -or- moral empathy if I lack moral agency? You have a friendly audience for this one, with me. I say take the god man down off the cross for whatever fraction of a millisecond it took to pay for my profligate sins. It won't work, and I wouldn't kill the better man to pay my parking tickets anyway.
I understand it's a difficult thing to accept. Impossible, really, except by the grace of God (as with all things). It's probably the single most difficult thing to accept about our existence, because it seems far too harsh.
I will remind everyone that God Himself partook of the same harshness when He was crucified, though He did nothing wrong. If even the most innocent among us must suffer, then how much more those of us who aren't innocent?
Yet not everyone, not even close to everyone, will ever experience so horrible a death as Jesus Christ did. So spare me any moral outrage, please.
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