How far reaching are God's powers?

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what is interesting about this is that this is all supposedly hypothetical for you. You probably believe that you DO have moral responsibilities (correct me if I'm wrong), but now that I have given you an "out" you insist that you have none.

And I realize you aren't "actually" insisting that, I'm simply asking if the knowledge that you have no control changes how you feel about the evils you've committed. Should it?

Correct, this is all hypothetical for me.  The list of my moral responsibilities is exhausting, lol.  You're as incapable of offering me a moral "out" as christ was, and I have no particular desire for any moral outs in the first place.  

Should knowing that I cannot choose otherwise change how I feel about whatever evils I've committed?  I suspect not, and particularly if feeling a different way about it were the good thing to do - I'm incapable.

You're clearly ignoring what I've written. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean God hasn't given you the grace to do good at times, including learning from your evil ways.

You're excusing god for no reason.  I must have an unending supply of a god's grace if this is how I've been managing my moral decisions...though, I have to be frank with you - the process seems a bit more pedestrian from here on the inside.

That's like saying "how can I stink, if I stink?" If you're morally incompetent then you automatically are going to accrue moral debt. Your problem is the same as all sinners have: you refuse to take full responsibility for your own actions. Much easier to blame God. Not that I'm condemning you for it...we've all done it or will do it at some point.

You're the only one between us that's blamed god for anything....?  I wasn't waxing on about how god should have never created us, that was you.  I like it here, no take backsies. Don't even have to wipe all the tears away.

I'm asking you how we can possess moral debts if we lack moral agency.  How we can be morally responsible if we lack moral agency. It very much does remind me of the stink question.  We both agree that we stink - but outside of there being a smell - how is it that we can stink?  You asked about moral responsibility, and I pointed to two facts which seemed relevant.  Let's call those smell facts.  We say we smell when certain smell facts are met.  If we smell without those facts being met, we do need some other explanation for why (and when) we smell.

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You keep repeating this "if I'm incapable of doing good" mantra. As I just mentioned in my last post, I never said God hasn't given you to do good. You are simply incapable of doing good absent His grace. He gets all the credit for the good, you get all the credit for the evil, because the former isn't in your nature, but the latter is.

And Christ's suffering on your account doesn't equal some millisecond. You're responsible for the whole thing. As I've mentioned, since we all suffer and die on an individual level, then Christ suffered and died for us on an individual level.

I'm not sure there is any point in further argument.

This, well, this would be fantastic news.  If I'm responsible for all of it, then god can retroactively call the whole thing off and save himself the weekend.  As I said before, I won't kill the better man to pay my parking tickets.  I'm fundamentally set against it by my nature...which is, I suppose, a credit to god as the designer of my nature?