If Genesis is BS, what DID happen?

[popeyespappy]

Did anyone catch Tuesday’s episode of The Universe on H2? God and the Universe was the title. It sounded interesting. I DVR’d it but haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.

From the description on H2.

Since the dawn of civilization, humans have wondered who or what created the universe. Religion offers a spiritual answer, but do the latest discoveries in physics show evidence of a transcendent intelligence, or simply that the laws of physics by themselves could have led to the universe in which we live? This episode embarks on a mind-bending scientific search for God, asking physicists and theologians if the seemingly miraculous way the universe has been calibrated to support life is evidence of a creator...whether string theory will eventually be able to rule out the existence of God...why Stephen Hawking says the universe could have been created spontaneously...and how an advanced civilization in another universe could have conceivably created our own.

[The Grand Nudger]

Prepare yourself for an endless parade of fine tuning arguments.

[Minimalist]

I did not say for the parents to smother, brainwash, manipulate, and effectively close their kids' minds vis-a-vis the world around them.

I know what you said. Again, my friend, you have a rather dismal appreciation of reality in America.

[popeyespappy]

Prepare yourself for an endless parade of fine tuning arguments.

I was afraid of that. Hoping for something different though....

[houseofcantor]

...and the name of the creator is YHWH. I am that I am. So why the heck ain't you worshiping me? Because you've got sense, perhaps? Because I am that I am is also you?

All creation in this locality is I, who are you that I should attribute it to scientists that I know not? Sounds like an appeal to authority; but I know what authority they access: faith.

How do you think a scientist sees beyond that which is known other than faith in his or her identity and knowledge? Faith is intrinsic to the human in whatever terms one uses. One must have faith in self, in memory, in identity; or one is insane. That I have moved from the insane to the rational is a moral tale; so let us use the simplicity of good and evil.

Expansion of identity beyond the self to love is good. Applying conditionals to love such as "creator" have been shown to be less than good. When it happens, it always calls for supernatural beyond the natural, greater good beyond the good, destiny beyond the unknowable future; and all these variables are simply extraneous. Only one creator makes your universe right - you. That is the tao of completeness.

[8BitAtheist]

This is what happened,

I hail from another universe AND another dimension of that universe, one that this universe has not.
In that universe and dimension, I had an orgasm and thus your existence was to be.

True story.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Again, my friend, you have a rather dismal appreciation of reality in America.

You make the same mistake e.g. Muslims make: "you don't understand us" (meaning: 'shut your mouth and don't talk about what you don't know'). You think that America is different from the rest of the world, and that, consequently, what goes elsewhere won't fly in America (and v.v.). That America is 'special', and therefore deserves 'special' consideration, while requiring 'special' solutions. Which of course no non-American would understand. Because America is 'special' (while non-Americans obviously are not...)*.

It isn't.
The mechanics are the same everywhere! People are people. Only the proportions/relative relationships differ. Temporarily! Until they turn around again.

*scarily reminiscent of zionist, elitist attitudes!

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Did anyone catch Tuesday’s episode of The Universe on H2? God and the Universe was the title. It sounded interesting. I DVR’d it but haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.

From the description on H2.

Since the dawn of civilization, humans have wondered who or what created the universe. Religion offers a spiritual answer, but do the latest discoveries in physics show evidence of a transcendent intelligence, or simply that the laws of physics by themselves could have led to the universe in which we live? This episode embarks on a mind-bending scientific search for God, asking physicists and theologians if the seemingly miraculous way the universe has been calibrated to support life is evidence of a creator...whether string theory will eventually be able to rule out the existence of God...why Stephen Hawking says the universe could have been created spontaneously...and how an advanced civilization in another universe could have conceivably created our own.

Sounds Interesting.
Can you post that vid please?

[Minimalist]

You make the same mistake e.g. Muslims make: "you don't understand us"

But we don't understand muslims and for the same reason that you don't get Americans. You are rational. Religious shitwits are not. They operate on emotion and are also the victims of incessant propaganda. Americans are constantly told that they ARE special, that fucking jesus loves them and that this is the land of the free and the home of the brave and this is the greatest nation on earth.

That's a mile high dam of shit to overcome before the waters of rationality can begin to flow and for as long a I've known you, you have never understood the problem.

[Rokcet Scientist]

You make the same mistake e.g. Muslims make: "you don't understand us"

But we don't understand muslims

If you tell yourself that often enough it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Muslims are not boogeymen. They're people like you and me. Obviously with their own culture, as we have one. So the people are the same, but the culture is different. You can learn culture. You did your own. They did theirs. And if you put in even a little amount of effort you can learn to understand theirs too. How it works. Why it works. How it came to be like that. This is why I studied Islam and Buddhism for a few years (I already had a background in Xtianity). To try and understand what makes those people tick. And it worked too. I recommend it. A whole world will open up to you. It's not black magic. Or rocket science.

Americans are constantly told that they ARE special

So are Russians, Brits, French, Muslims, Jews, etc.
That 'telling them they are special' is in fact of course simply the promotion of nationalism. Nationalism borders on chauvinism, borders on fascism... It's what the 'Na' in 'Nazi' stood/stands for.
Currently, and not really surprisingly, perhaps the Germans and Japanese are the least afflicted. The humblest of peoples.
Obviously, as with evolution, it's the circumstances, conditions, and influences that determine how nationalism grows or wanes.

that fucking jesus loves them and that this is the land of the free and the home of the brave and this is the greatest nation on earth.

Same in Russia, United Kingdom, France, Muslim countries, Israel, etc. Only they may call it Russian pride and greatness, or British heritage and tradition, or French culture and finesse, or ﷲ, or יהוה... Bla-bla-bla, substitute with whatever is the fashionable dogma.

That's a mile high dam of shit to overcome before the waters of rationality can begin to flow

Absolutely! But hardly unique. Exactly the same applies for example to 4 dozen Muslim countries and Israel.

and for as long a I've known you, you have never understood the problem.

I could say the same, but that doesn't get us anywhere, so I won't.

[ElDinero]

Except you sort of did. Even though it doesn't get you anywhere.